Shocked Pikachu face meme.

    • Empricorn@feddit.nlEnglish
      371·
      11 months ago

      I didn’t have a “tantrum” when they blocked my 3rd-party app for corporate reasons… I just stopped using Reddit.

      • DillyDaily@lemmy.worldEnglish
        111·
        11 months ago

        Exactly, I didn’t have a tantrum. I used a third party app because of the accessibility features it offered that the official app doesn’t. I can’t use reddit now, so I don’t use reddit.

        • jaybone@lemmy.worldEnglish
          14·
          11 months ago

          Just curious, what app do you use for Lemmy?

          I’m using Memmy on iPhone which has some good text size accessibility settings. But there’s some buggy stuff and I don’t think they’ve released any fixes or updates in a few months.

          • narp@feddit.deEnglish
            31·
            11 months ago

            I think Voyager is based on the famous iOS reddit app (Apollo?) and is regularly updated. Looks really polished and I’m also using it on android next to sync.

          • DillyDaily@lemmy.worldEnglish
            6·
            11 months ago

            I’m using sync at the moment, I don’t dislike it but there is room for improvement. I have very low accessibility needs. I have palsies in my hands so for me it’s about having nice big icons to tap, because I don’t have the dexterity to push tiny text links or really cramped hit boxes.

            My phone GUI is enlarged and sync is just the first third party app I found that scaled well with my phone, most third party apps work for me, it’s just the reddit official app that really, really doesn’t. It’s unreadable with my GUI settings.

          • SocialEngineer56@notdigg.comEnglish
            6·
            11 months ago

            Hey! I was using Memmy as well, but stopped a couple weeks ago since the developers aren’t doing much on there (no shade to them - it’s a free project so I appreciate what they did at all!). I recently switched to Voyager and it’s been seamless and appears to be better supported.

            Voyager still has some slight bugs but it’s pretty good

          • alp@lemmy.zipEnglish
            3·
            11 months ago

            Eternity. For me, this app is the only one without significant problems.

            • WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.worldEnglish
              4·
              11 months ago

              I tried Eternity but uninstalled it when I realized that it would just go back to my homepage if I switched away from the app for any reason. I’m using Liftoff at the moment but it’s got its own problems. I might try Voyager some time.

              • Draconic NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                3·
                11 months ago

                Never encountered that bug on Eternity but I would suggest making a bug report for that issue on the page for Eternity so they might be able to fix it.

                Liftoff is on it’s last legs, once the last 0.18.5 instances make the upgrade to 0.19 it’ll almost certainly be unusable. Dev isn’t active anymore so I wouldn’t count on an update to fix it either, at least not any time soon. He also said he doesn’t have much experience with auth so even if he does get back to it it could take him a while to re-implement login.

              • alp@lemmy.zipEnglish
                1·
                11 months ago

                I just experimented your observation and the behavior is not the same. Are you sure it isn’t your settibgs?

      • jaybone@lemmy.worldEnglish
        43·
        11 months ago

        So now they are pushing the narrative eight months later that people left in a tantrum?

        The fact they still talk about that over there says a lot.

        • Empricorn@feddit.nlEnglish
          26·
          11 months ago

          A popular theory is that a lot of bots were deployed to make the exodus seem less impactful. So, officially the numbers might be similar, but I’m sure there’s less real content and people…

      • Shinji_Ikari [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
        162·
        11 months ago

        I thought blocking nsfw posts on mobile was bad enough until I tried viewing a totally SFW subreddit that was small enough to not be “verified”. Straight up didn’t let me view a subreddit that wasn’t essentially approved without logging in or using the app.

      • fatalError@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
        12·
        11 months ago

        Me too, I did most of my redditing on the phone. So the only redditing I do these days is when on desktop looking for various hardware recommendations, cause unfortunately I don’t know how to search lemmy that well

        • JJROKCZ@lemmy.worldEnglish
          10·
          11 months ago

          Lenny is also just missing the decade of pcmasterrace and other pc hardware sub content. It might get there in time but for now Reddit is still a font of information and advice from knowledgeable people.

            • Norah - She/They@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
              6·
              11 months ago

              On Reddit, if a comment is removed by admin or moderators, it displays [removed]. [deleted] means the user themself did it. I’d imagine what you’re seeing is people like myself, who used scripts to delete all of our comments from the site.

    • Toribor@corndog.socialEnglish
      129·
      11 months ago

      Exactly. It’s like hey… If the corpos take a dump in your mouth you can either leave or you can stick around and complain about the taste. And yet the people who left are the whiners?

    • BolexForSoup@kbin.social
      1161·
      11 months ago

      “Sure, 90% of the sub voted for this and the reasons for shutting down are clearly laid out, but y’all are doing this for literally no reason. Stop throwing a tantrum and give me my memes NOW.”

        • BolexForSoup@kbin.social
          40·
          11 months ago

          I think what really bothered me about that whole affair, and why I had my single worst outburst on Discord by a large margin as well that I still feel bad about, was because it was so frustrating seeing so many people who didn’t just disagree with us - I can handle disagreement, I can handle discussion and debate, I can even handle a little heat throughout that process. But people would just storm onto the Discord or the sub absolutely fuming and accusing us of all these things…but within two sentences, you can tell they hadn’t read a single post about the issue! Not one sentence or article!

          They were asking the most basic questions, my favorite being “what is this even about? It’s not like you have a reason.” It was insulting really. Here we were spending all this time and effort worrying about the community, Reddit, how to do this in the most fair way possible and produce what we believe to be the best outcome (or at least the outcome the community wanted in the end), and these people couldn’t even read three sentences before screaming at us and calling us names.

          People just were not having it, they did not want to even talk about it. And this was just a sub for discussing video games.

          • pbjamm@beehaw.orgEnglish
            17·
            11 months ago

            people would just storm onto the Discord or the sub absolutely fuming and accusing us of all these things…but within two sentences, you can tell they hadn’t read a single post about the issue! Not one sentence or article

            This reminds me of when I used to take the time to discuss/argue climate science online. I kind of quit after too many instances with aggressive people who had not bothered to educate themselves on even the most basic science.

      • Whirlybird@aussie.zoneEnglish
        530·
        11 months ago

        By 90% you mean 90% of the 15 people that saw the post and were using a client that could see and vote in the poll in the 8 minutes that they had it open, because that’s seemingly what most subs I was on that did a poll did. The comments were always 90% filled with people saying they wanted the subs to be open, they don’t care about the API changes, etc, yet the crybaby mods would say “YOU ALL VOTED FOR THIS!” while everyone is screaming “No we didn’t, we weren’t even asked!”.

        • quirzle@kbin.social
          141·
          11 months ago

          using a client that could see and vote in the poll in the 8 minutes that they had it open

          The irony being that the ones upset by the API changes wouldn’t be using the first party client, so if anything this would have filtered out the people in favor of closing down. I say “would have” because that would require this having actually being what happened. All of those polls I saw were open for days, and the people whining about the closures in the comments just didn’t notice because they didn’t actually use the site much or were just oblivious as shit.

        • BolexForSoup@kbin.social
          132·
          11 months ago

          I can’t speak for other subs, but we used the tools available to us to try and get a sense of what over 1mill people wanted to the best of our abilities and the vote was overwhelmingly in favor. If you wanted to convince me that it was rigged, you could at least ask how our sub conducted the vote or explain why it was rigged. If you already know how we conducted the vote, I am all ears for alternatives.

          Additional note (not how we conducted the vote btw): the announcement that we were going dark and the vote post were among the highest-engaged posts of all time on the sub at the time. People were clearly engaged on a sub that is generally pretty quiet despite its size and the support was overwhelming, and we gave people days to vote after a pre-vote post saying it was coming so there was ample time to learn about it and participate. If you have a way for conducting truly democratic polls on Reddit, we would love to hear it, because we have been asking Admins for years for something at least better than Reddit’s own poll system and they never gave us a decent upgrade.

          I’d also be curious to know how you sort out people who subscribe and never came back vs. people who are generally engaged and people who aren’t even part of the community. Who gets to vote? Who doesn’t? How do we separate them?

          TL;DR: you seem to be upset with how we did our vote and alluding to some option we should’ve taken advantage of. Frankly, I’d be incredibly impressed if you solved the problem online polling, especially on Reddit.

          The only reason I am really hammering this whole thing is because I’ve heard this so many times, but nobody has offered us an alternative. Not once. So we could’ve truly been little tyrants in our little kingdoms and just did it without even trying to gauge the community, but instead we did the best we could and people got angry anyway. We fielded people for weeks on discord throughout it, we spent countless hours both on calls and by text discussing this, we took the decision very seriously and did it because we truly believe the changes are bad for reddit and our communities.

          Ultimately there’s just no winning when some people simply won’t accept the result they don’t like. I’m not accusing you of this, but a lot of the “it was rigged“ and “this is just a power trip“ came from people who simply did not want the sub closed for any reason and there was literally nothing we could do to satisfy them. Not that we had any decent options beyond what we used anyway.

    • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
      333·
      11 months ago

      The only mature and adult course of action is to sigh and resign yourself to getting fucked at every turn, as wise and responsible adults throughout history have done. Any action beyond innefectual snark is a childish tantrum. This axiom somehow does not apply to the actions of the already powerful and those doing the fucking on their behalf. That is simply the natural way of things. Do not ask how they became powerful in the first place.

  • Facebones@reddthat.comEnglish
    318·
    11 months ago

    Surely, attacking the mods of a community and calling them whiny babies will get you what you want, right?!

      • don@lemm.eeEnglish
        98·
        11 months ago

        I’m a motherfuckin user. I log onto this website sometimes. That means I dictate when you shit and for how long. Just be glad your breathing is out of my control. For now.

      • Facebones@reddthat.comEnglish
        696·
        11 months ago

        People have gotten fucking insane with this “Everybody should do exactly what I think they should do at all times full stop and if they don’t they’re literal fucking garbage, and if you disagree or care about a different thing than me you’re just a whiny baby whining about baby stuff” mentality.

        I’m a lefty, and it’s an election year which means I get to deal with this for 10 months straight from the dems.

        • Kalysta@lemmy.worldEnglish
          9·
          11 months ago

          And if there is a CHANCE you might do something they don’t like…they cancel their primaries

        • Tb0n3@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          72·
          11 months ago

          Unless you’re a mod. Then it’s “Everybody should do exactly what I think they should do at all times or ban.”

        • Throwaway@lemm.eeEnglish
          22·
          11 months ago

          God you’re telling me. I’m a right winger, and I am not looking for to voting for the 77 year old orange just because the GOP can’t figure out how to do a primary.

          Still going to do it because of the issues at hand, but I’m not happy about it. I just hope he doesn’t pull a 2nd round of bump stocks.

      • kratoz29@lemm.eeOPEnglish
        27·
        11 months ago

        I never fully understand that, is that an insult? English ain’t my first language and I was honestly not sure if I felt offended by that lol, I swear I looked for it on the web, but it wasn’t clear for me either.

        • loobkoob@kbin.social
          90·
          11 months ago

          “Landed gentry” was a social class of people who owned estates and, well, land. They didn’t have to work; they made their income by profiting off the work of the farm hands, merchants, etc, who worked on their land. The estates these landed gentry owned, along with their wealth, would be passed down to their children when they died. It meant the gentry did very little to earn their station in life, but still had a fair amount of power and wealth.

          How spez thinks it applies to Reddit mods, I’m not entirely sure. But he definitely meant it as an insult. His full quote was:

          And I think, on Reddit, the analogy is closer to the landed gentry: The people who get there first get to stay there and pass it down to their descendants, and that is not democratic.

          So I guess he was upset that mod teams get to select who else is a good fit to join the mod team? Of course, the issue is that he is the landed gentry - users didn’t vote for him, nor can they remove him; and he’s profiting off the work of the people who post content and the people who spend their time moderating.

          • db2@lemmy.worldEnglish
            442·
            11 months ago

            Right wing turds like Steve tend to project really hard and never have the capacity to realize it.

          • Aceticon@lemmy.worldEnglish
            25·
            11 months ago

            It’s interesting that he’s using an insult from England and in a context which would make him Royalty trying to control the Barons.

          • Corgana@startrek.websiteEnglish
            17·
            11 months ago

            He has to just be riling up the “freeze peach” crowd with that line. He must know that a “users vote” way of selecting mods is always going to be a race to the bottom in terms of diversity and quality as nobody with a unique vision is going to subject themselves to the will of a bunch of reddit-brained people.

            When I was part of the Vaxxhappened protest I came to the realization that pretty much all mods of big communities are not “power happy” autocrats, but on the whole surprisingly weak-willed and living in a perpetual fear of getting removed. It was sad, but I have to imagine Reddit Inc is very happy with the arrangement. These people are working 24/7 for free, on one of the many indistinguishable feeds of memes. I was very surprised the API protest happened to the degree it did at all.

        • captainlezbian@lemmy.worldEnglish
          32·
          11 months ago

          It’s an insult. It’s basically saying “these people are powerful and out of touch and have no right to it”. As opposed to the reality that yeah there’s mod abuse, but also it’s a thankless job that sucks but you keep doing it because you care about the community and when you ease up you get criticism, when you crack down you get criticism, and when you try to be transparent you spend so much time writing out why you made a decision that you hesitate to actually moderate and also you wind up getting dragged into arguments over the validity of one of three fucking rules because they didn’t like that specific rule that couldn’t be clearer. And no matter what you do you’re going to get abuse in the modmail.

          • Excrubulent@slrpnk.netEnglish
            16·
            11 months ago

            Yeah, the problem is that the subs used to be the only place on the internet where a given community could be mainstream, so being in a position of power means you’re stuck trying to make everybody happy.

            On federated networks you can have multiple communities with the same local name coexisting, so if you don’t like one set of mods you can go elsewhere. I’m not saying that solves all the problems, but it takes off the pressure of being the piracy sub mod.

            • captainlezbian@lemmy.worldEnglish
              6·
              11 months ago

              Yeah but breakaway communities existed then. Underscore, rename, different order… all this shit was there. You can have the same name now which is cool, but you always could have something close. It’s the community and users people care about and starting a new one is a pain in the ass

              • WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.worldEnglish
                6·
                11 months ago

                There’s a big advantage to having the sub with the most obvious name. If you want to talk about Canada you’re going to go to /r/canada first, not /r/onguardforthee.

        • Paradachshund@lemmy.todayEnglish
          10·
          11 months ago

          To give you some background on the term, it refers to rich land owners in England who had a lot of inherited wealth through the estates they owned (landed, meaning they own land). These “gentry” generally led lives of leisure and wealth, but they didn’t actually do anything, they just inherited it all through their family wealth and land ownership.

          I’m sure I have details of that a little off, but that’s my best explanation of it.

      • EnderMB@lemmy.worldEnglish
        22·
        11 months ago

        I used to be a mod at /r/soccer, and it was a great way for you to lose faith in humanity.

        We saw it all, racism, death threats, insults, even an instance where one user found a mod’s place of work and stalked them. We also had one guy that was obsessed with a footballer spam the sub with bots for several days, because he wasn’t allowed to post whatever he liked. It took the admin’s three days to fix…

        More often than not, it was people that didn’t read the rules, and got upset that all subs didn’t run on the idea that “if people upvote it, it’s allowed”.

        • captainlezbian@lemmy.worldEnglish
          12·
          11 months ago

          Yeah that sounds about right. I used to moderate trans and lesbian subreddits. It was …not good for my mental health. Leniency in rules allowed for people to post bigoted shit that sat right on the border or sounded like it might. Strict wording in rules meant that people would toe the line. Us having to explain why we removed things (it was an experiment one sub I moderated tried for like a year) resulted in an absolute shit show because there are more people who want to be assholes than mods and the more stressful moderating is the higher the turnover. I distinctly remember one night being out at a bar with my now ex and her friends and trying to write up my reasonings for someone who was obviously breaking a rule because she disagreed with the rule but she was challenging every decision and we had to give so many chances and allow appeals and she was ruining my night, and I was acutely aware that she could just hop to a new account when she was done. Also we had mod drama.

          • limelight79@lemm.eeEnglish
            5·
            11 months ago

            The “legal eagles” are best ignored. Just ignore them. Most of the time they’ll just stop if you ignore them, because they want you to argue with them.

            • captainlezbian@lemmy.worldEnglish
              7·
              11 months ago

              Absolutely but my attitude eventually shifted to “this is a small Internet forum, you want to be a jackass do so elsewhere.” I always tried to find a form of balance because I did care about the users. But the balance did rely on gut feelings, perception, and how willing to put up with your shit I was. I spent most of my 20s doing this shit and yeah it feels wrong to say “if you’re a rude asshole in response to a mod decision you don’t like you’re less likely to get a favorable response” but also yeah the time it took to read an essay berating me was time I could spend on literally anything other than helping the person who wrote it and I did the thing of giving even those people the benefit of the doubt every time and turns out it was a waste of time because further investigation tended to reveal that the person was either a troll, an asshole who had a net negative impact on the community and a tenuous grasp on the rules, or someone unstable enough that they didn’t need a forum, they needed a support group with professional oversight.

              But yeah when someone messaged me that one of the mods had been saying things that were inappropriate for a moderator of that community to say I spent months helping oust them and she and I are now actual friends.

              I’ll also add that good moderation was a challenge because in my experience there’s four kinds of people who moderate: people who recognize it as a volunteer hobby and maintain an external life, people on a crusade, people who do their best but aren’t doing good mentally and probably need to be making major life changes, and bright eyed idealists. The first are what you want and the rarest, the second are a problem that you have to weed out because they become petty tyrants, the third can be ok or can be petty tyrants, and the fourth are the most common and they burn out in a month to three or rarely become one of the others. It’s hard to tell who will be which.

              • limelight79@lemm.eeEnglish
                2·
                11 months ago

                I’ve moderated many online forums going waaaay back (farther than I’d like to admit actually). I agree with you, and I want to explain decisions to the users too, so I’ll generally try to talk them as well. And sometimes we get a connection, and sometimes I realize I made a mistake. But in my experience, when they start playing lawyer, you’re not going to please them.

                I never thought about the four categories of mods before, but what you wrote feels pretty accurate. I think I’m in that first group, and I try to avoid issues by moderating as lightly as possible.

                When I’m in other groups or communities, sometimes I think, “If someone did that in my group, they’d get one warning, then I’d just ban them the second time it happened. Boom. End of discussion.” But I know that’s likely not how it would go in reality. LOL

          • Serinus@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            11 months ago

            I would have suggested just ignoring it for 12-36 hours. She could have waited, or another mod could have handled it.

  • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comMEnglish
    314·
    11 months ago

    Love how they bellyache about the mods not doing a good enough job when they spent the final weeks of the June protest harassing the existing mods and and basically dismissing and disrespecting all the work we were doing for the past decade. They just expected things to go back to business as usual and the mods should just shut up and continue doing unpaid janitorial duties for the benefit of spez out of sheer momentum I guess? The scale of their entitlement is unreal.

    • KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      121·
      11 months ago

      Yeah, that was part of the reason I decided to leave. I mean, it wasn’t the only reason by far, but just another item to snowball into the “fuck this platform” that pushed me to leave.

      The number of people that actively told me I was dumb, abusing power, and my moderating could be done by anyone was crazy.

      Then they bitched about the moderation quality going down when 50% of the moderation actions walked out the door.

      • Corgana@startrek.websiteEnglish
        51·
        11 months ago

        I always laughed when someone called us a “janitor” after we banned them. Like you understand in this analogy you are the trash being taken out, right?

        • lukini@beehaw.orgEnglish
          6·
          11 months ago

          It’s probably just because janitor is the term for a low level mod on 4chan.

  • Annoyed_🦀 @monyet.ccEnglish
    266·
    11 months ago

    “If you don’t like spez decision, then just open up the sub and leave!”

    Mods left

    “Where is all the mods?”

    “They’re just butthurt they didn’t get any support hue hue hue”

    Internet is a funni place.

    • BolexForSoup@kbin.social
      50·
      11 months ago

      I’ll be honest here: it was pretty fun to respond to people going “well if you hate it here so much, then just leave!“ with “I did, check the sidebar.” I stuck around for a few days after to help the mods with a few unruly threads, banned a few problem users on a different sub I was just sick of, then left forever.

  • madcaesar@lemmy.worldEnglish
    167·
    11 months ago

    Piracy mods are few of the mods with a backbone that actually left reddit because of all the bullshit.

    • anarchrist@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      761·
      11 months ago

      They probably realized the same skillset that set up their *arr config could be used to host a lemmy instance

    • agitatedpotato@lemmy.worldEnglish
      37·
      11 months ago

      A lot of the sports sub mods I frequent put up a hard fight and many just walked away. The change in those communities has been noticable. Especially since they can no longer use API to import clips as they happen, engagement and content is way down. There used to be highlights for days, just automatically.

    • Trainguyrom@reddthat.comEnglish
      35·
      11 months ago

      Shout-out to the /r/Sysadmin mods who decided subreddit uptime was too important to partake in the blackout. Man that place just had a really toxic tone and really made me strongly want to avoid the Sysadmin career track

      • JJROKCZ@lemmy.worldEnglish
        6·
        11 months ago

        At least here I don’t have to read /u/crankysysadmin telling everyone they’re entitled and need to do better work and ignore their personal problems in every thread

    • fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
      3·
      11 months ago

      It was pretty funny when push came to shove and they all pulled their heads in. “Well if I don’t do what they’re saying they might remove me so I have to do what they say for the good of the community”. That’s… not how that works.

  • Honytawk@lemmy.zipEnglish
    164·
    11 months ago

    Don’t they understand the mods leaving is a consequence of that “tantrum”?

    • Eezyville@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      1601·
      11 months ago

      They’re clearly using shaming tactics. By calling it a “tantrum” they try to make those mods look childish. In reality the mods demanded something to make their jobs easier, the company refused, so they parted ways.

      • baseless_discourse@mander.xyzEnglish
        1241·
        11 months ago

        Not “job”, these are “volunteering contributions”, that are not only time consuming, mentally consuming, and unpaid as well.

        • meep_launcher@lemm.eeEnglish
          117·
          11 months ago

          Hello, I’m meep_launcher, and I’m a recovering moderator.

          Not only did my tools get taken, after the mass exedus, my mod queue exploded. There were so many more racist reports than before, and I was mod of a political satire subreddit.

          Turns out the exedus took all the left leaning redditors leaving behind real pieces of work.

          Glad I made the switch, and I set up cartographyanarchy here, so maybe I can get back to doing what I love, shitposting maps.

          Shitpost maps with me!

          One more edit, I want to get this community up and running, so if you post in the next 24 hours I will write your map a song and post the link in the comments.

          Oh also DM if you want to be a mod! Definitely looking for folks skilled in the art of Lemmy, coding, or just being all around wholesome.

          • ashok36@lemmy.worldEnglish
            35·
            11 months ago

            I can get back to doing what I love, shitposting maps.

            Nature is so strange and beautiful.

          • root_beer@midwest.socialEnglish
            21·
            11 months ago

            Psh, nice shameless plug for your community bro

            …to which I’ll subscribe as soon as I can

          • Trainguyrom@reddthat.comEnglish
            18·
            11 months ago

            Dude the name alone sounds awesome

            edit: I want to post this map but its complaining that the content type isn’t html. I don’t really see the purpose of linking a webpage when linking directly to the image will allow it to properly embed? Not sure if that’s an instance limitation or a community limitation but it seems like not the right choice for meme communities

            • baseless_discourse@mander.xyzEnglish
              8·
              11 months ago

              Finally, the rail system U.S. deserves, old, loud, slow, never on time, and is under maintenance EVERY! F**KING! WEEKEND!

            • meep_launcher@lemm.eeEnglish
              3·
              11 months ago

              I’ve just been uploading to imgur and then posting the direct link. Lemm.ee won’t allow direct image uploads, so we kinda need to Jerry rig it for the time being. ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

              • baseless_discourse@mander.xyzEnglish
                3·
                11 months ago

                After Reddit, Xitter, and Duolingo, I start to feel like hosting our work on a proprietary and profit-driven service is not a great idea.

              • meep_launcher@lemm.eeEnglish
                1·
                11 months ago

                I just made it a few weeks ago and finally am getting around to sort of starting things up!

                Thank you so much for joining! It makes my day :)

              • Cosmic Cleric@lemmy.worldEnglish
                11·
                11 months ago

                Tried clicking on that link, got this error…

                The server returned this error: FetchError: invalid json response body at [Redacted]. This may be useful for admins and developers to diagnose and fix the error

                I’m assuming you were trying to link to here?

                • CallumWells@lemmy.mlEnglish
                  31·
                  11 months ago

                  Like Trainguyrom wrote, you’re probably the first user on your instance trying to access it. Try the link again. It’s the proper way to link to communities using Lemmy. Your link doesn’t give people on other instances the easy option to subscribe to the community.

                  EDIT: Interestingly enough it looks like someone went through the first page of my profile and downvoted each comment of mine. Hmmm, how very strange ;P

    • Fapp@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
      172·
      11 months ago

      Asking anyone who didn’t leave reddit to “understand” anything is an exercise in futility. Their brain lack the wrinkles, because they only eat eucalyptus leaves.

    • Draconic NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      13·
      11 months ago

      Probably not, I doubt they even understand what the fuss was even about and are now wondering why quality has gone down so much and why subs are becoming full of spam and reposes.

  • Excrubulent@slrpnk.netEnglish
    109·
    11 months ago

    Seems like the way for reddit to “solve” this is to just close bad subs.

    But that’s easily exploited, if people migrate to other subs and start protesting the sub closures, those subs get worse and they need to be closed…

    Oh no, reddit, did you just discover that you relied on your users to make your site good and by screwing them over you’ve made your entire business unsustainable at scale?

    Also, somewhat related, is there a short snappy name for lemmy communities? Some people call them subs out of habit but I don’t wanna do that, and “communities” is four whole syllables, and ain’t nobody got time for that.

    • FaceDeer@kbin.social
      571·
      11 months ago

      Kbin calls them “magazines”, which has the advantage of being only three syllables but has the disadvantage of being a dumb name for them.

        • DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.caEnglish
          19·
          11 months ago

          I’d adopt “zines” expressly to overuse it, make people cringe and demonstrate just how dumb it sounds. “mags” just makes me think of guns

            • Bo7a@lemmy.caEnglish
              5·
              11 months ago

              I have never had a comment make me feel this old.

              -Signed, an old man who used to publish zines in the early 90s.

              • root_beer@midwest.socialEnglish
                4·
                11 months ago

                I’m not old enough to have published zines but I am old enough to know what they were, and I think it is actually a pretty apt name for it

    • survivalmachine@beehaw.orgEnglish
      43·
      11 months ago

      “solve”

      to make your site good

      unsustainable

      I think you’re misunderstanding reddit’s goal. Over the past year, they have been in IPO mode. They don’t care about making the site good or attracting a healthy community. They want to cash out and are burning down any structures that are providing any resistance to that.

      • DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.caEnglish
        19·
        11 months ago

        Hopefully it costs them dearly. Kinda like the whole Tumblr censorship fiasco and drastic fall in value but before they sell it. Put #FuckSpez in the poor house

        • fuwa@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          7·
          11 months ago

          Why do you care how it turns out financially for reddit? The outcome I’d wish for is that more people come to lemmy

          • DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.caEnglish
            16·
            11 months ago

            Because I was generally enjoying Reddit before being forced out by the API crap. I’m a creature of habit so tend to dislike change and as much as I’m generally liking Lemmy, I’m having to force myself to not check the app every time I get bored because I’ll just see the same posts 20 times in a day thanks to the relatively low level of interaction on the platform currently. Whenever I go looking for tech support online, it’s nearly always a reddit post from 2-8 years ago that has the answer but I don’t want to spend any amount of time on the site, particularly if I’m on my phone at the time since it means doing that annoying step of having to manually change “www” to “old” to make the site functional and readable. I guess I’m just feeling vengeful at yet another good (or some approximation of) thing ruined by yet another money-grubbing, power-hungry, self-important tosser.

            Though I see what you’re saying… ish. I think at this point, we aren’t going to see a massive influx of users without the death of competing platforms like Reddit since there are enough people either happy to keep taking the punches or think sunshine shines out of Spez’s asshole. Frankly, we can do without the second kind of person but the first won’t do anything without a certain amount of persuasion and I reckon the sinking of the ol’ Reddit ship would be just enough of a toe-capped-boot up the nether regions to persuade.

            Edit: grammar whoopsies

      • Excrubulent@slrpnk.netEnglish
        13·
        11 months ago

        You’re right, they aren’t trying to make something sustainable. I guess I was giving them too much credit when I said that.

        The problem they’re facing here is that if they can’t sustain even the appearance of a functioning site that investors might want to buy, then they fail at that too.

        So maybe the best way to fix this is just to ride it out and not close the subs, but if they’re just full of users that have finally clocked why mods are needed and that the place sucks now, that’s also a bad look.

        If the search engines start to realise that it’s a cesspit with nothing worth linking to anymore, then that really hits their metrics. I’ve just realised I really need to get onto downloading my posts and deleting them.

      • Whirlybird@aussie.zoneEnglish
        61·
        11 months ago

        They don’t care about making the site good or attracting a healthy community.

        They never cared about the “healthy” part either, just “big”. Reddit has been a cesspool for years and years and years, largely thanks to the moderators.

      • Fishbone@lemmy.worldEnglish
        29·
        11 months ago

        “Any recommendations for good cummies here?”

        “I usually start my day just laying in bed and checking out new cummies”

        “It’s unfortunate that niche cummies don’t always have the support needed to stick around. I’ve seen great cummies wiped away before they could really build any volume up.”

        “It’s so often overlooked, but proper handling of cummies is really what keeps them enjoyable day after day.”

        Yep, I see no fault with the naming scheme here. Really rolls off the tongue well too. Very palatable. Definitely not absolutely cursed.

        • AceCephalon@pawb.socialEnglish
          14·
          11 months ago

          Totally not completely cursed, and those example sentences absolutely didn’t make me regret being literate.

    • Willy@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      34·
      11 months ago

      Subs still works in my mind. Subdirectories of all, or subscriptions… whichever way you want to think of it. I never really thought of subs as short for subreddits though, that was just convenient marketing based of those same terms.

    • x4740N@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2910·
      11 months ago

      They are called “lemmy communities” or “communities”

      “Sublemmies” is cringe and is some weird portmanteau with subreddit which is stupid because I don’t know why people are still attached the idea of subreddits since this isn’t reddit and “lemmings” which some users like to call lemmy users but I don’t agree with that either and “lemmy users” sounds like a better term to use

      So many people here are trying to emulate reddit when this isn’t reddit, yes some features from reddit would be nice like a group collection of subreddits like multireddits did and post flairs but this still isn’t reddit

      • django@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
        21·
        11 months ago

        A short name for communities would be groups. I like to call the users fedizens, as it is not specific to one software.

      • occhineri@feddit.deEnglish
        8·
        11 months ago

        …and “lemmings” which some users like to call lemmy users but I don’t agree with that either and “lemmy users” sounds like a better term to use

        This is just how communities work: people will find names for things and other people are reproducing them if they like the term.

    • Obi@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      131·
      11 months ago

      I’ve seen “Lemmies”, I’ve also seen “sublemmies” which brings “subs” back on the table imo. Alternatives are /c/s, commus, com’s, etc.

      • Excrubulent@slrpnk.netEnglish
        13·
        11 months ago

        I guess “subs” isn’t exactly a reddit specific term. I don’t even know if it started there tbh.

        I’ve just realised there’s nothing wrong with taking some of the language they used, we are after all following the basic link aggregator format.

      • imaqtpie@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        7·
        11 months ago

        I like communities and sublemmies.

        Coms/commus sounds forced and unnecessary, doubt it’ll catch on.

        As for Lemmies, I think that should be a synonym for instances/servers. So, for example, the biggest Lemmy with the most sublemmies would be lemmy.world.

        And of course, the users are lemmings.

      • petrescatraian@libranet.de
        3·
        11 months ago

        @Obi /c/s is not long (albeit a bit complicated to write, on phone at least) and it could easily be expanded verbally, so you know that /c/s = communities.

        On Friendica, everything that is not a person or a page is displayed as a group. As a Facebook alternative, it does make sense, but for you in the Lemmy world I imagine it would sound a bit bland. 😁

        @Excrubulent

    • Machinist3359@kbin.social
      9·
      11 months ago

      I’d like the name to be “community feed” and “feeds” for short. Reddit was always essentially a collective rss with voting weights. In this way “subs” would still work since one subscribes to the feeds.

      Ultimately it’s something the devs need to encourage though

  • mr_right@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    821·
    11 months ago

    I like it here on Lemme. I feel pretty comfy. And most of you here are tech savvy. And if not, at least you have some level of basic true understanding of how technology works., Unlike those impostor syndrome redditors. And I suppose it’s a plus that corporations don’t hunt us down for discussing piracy.

  • ProgrammingSocks@pawb.socialEnglish
    77·
    11 months ago

    What a goofy interpretation of that series of events. Reddit changes API which fucks over moderators -> mods protest and say if they can’t use these tools they can’t moderate -> when API restrictions come into effect, mods either leave over moderating being way harder now or basically not being able to mod

    Why is that final step so hard for this person to believe? All of Reddit moderation wasn’t lying to people for fun

  • happybadger [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
    552·
    11 months ago

    All my subreddits that I moderated went to shit after the protests. I stopped, the replacements stopped, the sudden influx of shitty posts and shady users drove off the normal communities.

    Fuck em. I haven’t felt the urge to post on reddit in months and it’s lovely knowing the people I’m interacting with probably aren’t rabid fascists unless they’re Lemmy.world pissbabies.

      • happybadger [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
        261·
        11 months ago

        /r/snackexchange/ - I made it a protest subreddit by embracing Spez’s call for user democracy. Every day every single thing about the subreddit would be reset and users would have to vote for every aspect. The only rules were that you couldn’t abolish democracy and you couldn’t abolish me as the caretaker. /u/Icxcnika was a weird little goober who took it seriously instead of seeing it as a protest meant to derail the subreddit. He voted to make himself mod for a day and then the admins did a mod coup to make him the head, even over the other two mods that had been there for a decade and built all of the third-party tools we relied on to make the subreddit work. He had only posted once, some 8 or 9 years before, and had never moderated. The users and other mods fucking hated him and activity in the subreddit fell off. Now he no longer posts, one of the other mods no longer posts, and the last remaining one is apparently now a bot that sells funko pops.

        /r/fifthworldproblems/ - The other mods and I were all on board with the protest. They forced us back open so we refused to do anything. Now it’s restricted and the only link posted since the protest was a Lemmy instance that I didn’t have anything to do with.

        /r/modernart - I started rebuilding this one after it was overtaken by spam from people who don’t know what “modern art” actually means. I want to keep the subreddit because there’s good radicalisation potential with it in the right hands, but I stopped posting and only remove the most obnoxious spam days after it’s reported to tank the quality of the subreddit. I’ll be replacing everything with a Lemmy instance link at some point but was always holding out for Hexbear to open up community creation.

        I had a few others that I just left or let the admin bot take over.

          • happybadger [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
            161·
            11 months ago

            He was weird. In addition to the posts on the daily election threads, he was sending me PMs that were flattering in a way Patrick Bateman would compliment someone. Everything was blatantly manipulative and worded in a way that was simultaneously an interrogation I knew he was feeding to the admins. Then the dog caught his car and had to drive it while everyone else on the road screamed at him. I think he lasted like three days before handing over control to one of the mods who was so offended that they quit the website.

            Nothing irks me more than someone who can’t handle positive chaos or slight inconvenience. He was so determined to stop the protest which was only over us not being able to moderate the subreddit without those third-party tools, all to preserve the sanctity of a community he hadn’t interacted with in almost a decade. There’s something deeply pathological about a power grab like that. Like what the fuck.

          • happybadger [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
            5·
            11 months ago

            It was fun at its high point. The problem was like you said, always the same map. Shipping costs run like $20-150+ and that’s a month’s wage in many of the countries that have interesting snacks we aren’t already over-saturated with. Scams were only ever like 5% of trades at most and we never had a poisoning though, so overall a successful prototype of the thing that would work.

        • God_Is_Love@reddthat.comEnglish
          2·
          11 months ago

          Oh wow you rock! I definitely followed the snack exchange saga for a while before switching over here