So you’re saying that God should have cancelled His plans because a dude made a stupid vow?

The girl also didn’t seem to protest too much. In fact, she appeared to encourage him. She asked for two weeks up a mountain. It would have been ample time to run away. She didn’t.

Judges 11:36-40

And she said to him, “My father, you have opened your mouth to the Lord; do to me according to what has gone out of your mouth, now that the Lord has avenged you on your enemies, on the Ammonites.” So she said to her father, “Let this thing be done for me: leave me alone two months, that I may go up and down on the mountains and weep for my virginity, I and my companions.” So he said, “Go.” Then he sent her away for two months, and she departed, she and her companions, and wept for her virginity on the mountains. And at the end of two months, she returned to her father, who did with her according to his vow that he had made. She had never known a man, and it became a custom in Israel that the daughters of Israel went year by year to lament the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in the year.

If you were given an eternity in paradise, why would you waste it thinking about one event back on earth? Some people die worse deaths. And why would you be pissed at God for not making your crappy life a thousand years ago slightly less crappy? You don’t have trauma in Heaven.

Revelation 21:3-4

And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man. He will dwell with them, and they will be his people, and God himself will be with them as their God. He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away.”

His daughter didn’t even worry about dying that much- she was more upset that she didn’t have the chance to have offspring. Even she knew that eternity was better than what she had here.

He was a volunteer firefighter. I reckon he was benefit to society. I wouldn’t cheer a death lightly.

Another thing is, people can be indoctrinated/misled into supporting Trump. I find a lot of passive supporters or believers in conspiracy theories seem to be moreso victims. Trump can pay lip service to Corey, but we all know that deep down, he is glad it was Corey and not him. Another case is Ashli Babbitt. I think it’s a tragedy that she was misled, groomed and indoctrinated into storming the United States parliament building, but her shooting was still justified. She was part of a mob that was going after Mike Pence. She was possibly led to believe that what she was doing was fighting for her country. But it was still a tragedy that she was there and not at home with her family, even though the killing was necessary, given the circumstances.

Personally, I wouldn’t condemn people celebrating the deaths of the likes of Trump, Putin or Netanyahu if they were shot. In fact, I would probably be happy myself - especially if Putin.

I also don’t think the execution of your CEO guy by Luigi was unjustified either, and don’t have a problem with people celebrating that. But these are people in power directly responsible for making the world worse. You can be indirectly responsible for making the world worse and not know it. Such as misled voters (I used to be misled into thinking Brexit was a good thing)

Even when it comes to power, for example, I wouldn’t celebrate the death of Lis Truss. She was stupid, but not malicious enough.

Depends on your stance on the death penalty.

Article 37 of Anglicanism holds the stance:

The Laws of the Realm may punish Christian men with death, for heinous and grievous offences.

It is lawful for Christian men, at the commandment of the Magistrate, to wear weapons, and serve in the wars.

However, many other people may have other stances

##Christian arguments in favour of capital punishment Some Christians argue that capital punishment helps to maintain order and protection in society. The Bible sets down the death penalty for some crimes, so it must be acceptable to God. This is often seen as retribution. The Church of England has not repealed the statement in Article 37 of its Thirty Nine Articles which says, “The Laws of the Realm may punish Christian men with death for heinous and grievous offences.”

Saint Thomas Aquinas argued that peace in society was more important than reforming the sinner. He reflects the Roman Catholic Church’s teaching that the protection of the whole of society is more important than the individual. ##Christian arguments against capital punishment Some Christians would argue that capital punishment can never be justified. They would say this because:

They believe Jesus Christ came to Earth to reform sinners, as he did with the woman caught in adultery in John 8:1-11. Jesus amended the Old Testament teaching on retribution in Matthew 5:38-39 when he said, “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.” Christians believe in the sanctity of life – this means that life is holy and belongs to God, therefore only God has the power to take life. In Romans 12:17-19 it states, "Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody … Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: ‘It is mine to revenge; I will repay, says the Lord.’”

Source: BBC Bitesize, CCEA Religious Studies

I wouldn’t say that voting for Trump would make you a bad person. Or supporting him in the context that you believe he is better than the opposition. But it is down to reasoning also. Kamala Harris made some blunders or had policies which may have caused people to withhold their vote from her out of conscience.

If someone is supporting trump because they believe abortion is murder and that Trump could end it, or that his economic policies are somehow better, or that he’d better society, I wouldn’t see them as a bad person. I would, however, if it was because they held hatred of a racist, homophobic or a transphobic nature. I don’t think simply supporting trump could make you a bad person, but the reasons you do could make you one.

It is it’s own instance that renders on lemmy as a community

Events could be federated, so could any blogs. Wordpress creates a community that’s viewable from lemmy for the blog, where users cannot post from, but can comment on

You’ll essentially need a blogging functionality, where updates are posted or latest news.

BBC News - ‘It didn’t have to happen’: Wife of man killed at Trump rally struggles with loss

There were eight shots

About six minutes into Trump’s speech, Crooks fired eight shots from a roofjust outside the rally’s perimeter, one striking Trump’s right ear and one striking and killing Corey as he sheltered his family.

You said it’s not the problem of evil, then proceed to basically say “if God is real, why do these bad things happen?” If God stopped these instances, the goalposts will be moved to as to why evil happens at all.

Saying that discussing heaven is “skipping the important part” then defining the “important part” as two months of suffering compared with an eternity of bliss doesn’t compute either.

In all of these instances, it’s humans disobeying God and you’re blaming God when the consequences are faced. To quote Samuel, the writer of judges:

In those days there was no king in Israel. Everyone did what was right in his own eyes.

It sounds American to me

You’re entering the territory of the problem of evil now.

The girl that got killed is now in heaven. She got lucky before her father did. It’s a narrow view to think “God didn’t stop this”. God clearly commands against such actions, but her father clearly went against that anyway.

The first guy went to heaven, and so did Lot’s wife. You’re forgetting the context of what death is.

As for the young people that were mocking Elisha, they were literally telling him to “go up” and essentially die. He uses God’s name in vain. The action isn’t endorsed, and there’s similar cases of moses doing it on a smaller scale.

The Bible shows where it’s prophets and apostles flaw and err. And it’s important to document these flaws. The overarching story here is that perfection came through Jesus- not the patriarchs, prophets, apostles, or priests. To just isolate random instances and get offended at them is very shallow. It doesn’t even make sense as an argument against the text or God- you can’t really say “god doesn’t exist because I disagree with him”. And if God exists and you disagree with the literal author of mortality, the universe and mankind, you’re the one who’s wrong. These stories have no bearing on God’s existence. God gives us our life and can take it away whenever He pleases. The fact that He is patient enough to let us live is in itself showing His mercy - considering that we do little other than rebel against Him constantly.

Lmao, true. Although, personally, I’m scared about what vance would do if it was successful. Would basically be a Reichstag fire.

At no point does God say “hell yeah”. That account is written in a book that’s essentially “what not to do”.

Judges 11:29

Then the Spirit of the Lord was upon Jephthah, and he passed through Gilead and Manasseh and passed on to Mizpah of Gilead, and from Mizpah of Gilead he passed on to the Ammonites.

God was already with Jephthah before he decided to be so extra and decided to sacrifice the first thing that came out of his house. (not his daughter). Then he took his vow very literally. There was no need to try and work for such an outcome to begin with, when it was already in God’s hands.

Seems you see context as “silly excuses”.

You are quoting the book of Judges. The whole point of that book is an exposé on what happens when people abandon God and turn to paganism. Don’t believe me?

Judges 17:6

In those days there was no king in Israel. Everyone did what was right in his own eyes.

And the conclusion is exactly the same.

Judges 21:25

In those days there was no king in Israel. Everyone did what was right in his own eyes.

The whole book of Judges is essentially “Here’s what not to do”.

Not once did God command him to offer up his daughter. He decided to try and work for God’s support, and to try and earn it. But it bit him back harshly. The Bible quite early on differentiates itself from other pagan religions (which Israel was infected with when Judges was written)

Genesis 22:10-13

Then Abraham reached out his hand and took the knife to slaughter his son. But the angel of the Lord called to him from heaven and said, “Abraham, Abraham!” And he said, “Here I am.” He said, “Do not lay your hand on the boy or do anything to him, for now I know that you fear God, seeing you have not withheld your son, your only son, from me.” And Abraham lifted up his eyes and looked, and behold, behind him was a ram, caught in a thicket by his horns. And Abraham went and took the ram and offered it up as a burnt offering instead of his son.

The precedent here is set that man should not use humans as a sacrifice. There is no point, as humans are both made in God’s image and are already God’s, and are also tarnished with sin, so aren’t even an acceptable sacrifice. The only human sacrifice acceptable is God Himself - Who became man and took up His cross and sacrificed Himself for us.

That was a depiction of the Ancient of Days according to Daniel’s vision. Although western Christians do believe the Ancient of Days to be God The Father. Basically every denomination apart from Roman Catholics frown upon depicting God The Father.

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Isn’t that just how pre modern society worked? People commonly just married off their daughters to other people until the past few centuries

It’s possible, but what I was saying originally was a joke. Although the hand of God depicted Anno Domini is typically depicted with the hole.

Where does the Bible prescribe that you sacrifice your daughter for power ups?

Would make less sense if The Creator of the Universe wasn’t able to manifest Himself as a human

Jesus doesn’t refer to God as a separate entity.

He refers to the Father as a separate person, but still their unity as God is emphasised

John 8:57-58

So the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?” Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”

John 10:30

I and the Father are one.

John 14:8-11

Philip said to him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does his works. Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me, or else believe on account of the works themselves.

He also emphasised that He has a distinct relationship with The Father and God that’s different to us.

John 20:17

Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”

Jesus makes clear that His God is distinct to our God. His God is merely just The Father, which He is obedient to in accordance with His human nature (This is how Jesus was both God and Human- as a perfect Human, He had to worship as well. If He didn’t, He wouldn’t be a human.) while our God is the whole Triune God.

As for manifesting hands or whatever, all of creation was made through Jesus.

John 1:2-3

He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Genesis 1:26

Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

This attitude is unproductive. He still died protecting his family. Martin Luther stood up to the establishment and is seen as a hero as such, even though he carried antisemitic views. Churchill was a hero in fighting nazism, even though he used terminology in memoirs that weren’t very politically correct. Sure, Corey was flawed in that he was supporting trump (which a large amount of Americans were doing), but it’s not worth saying his life had no value over it, especially when he died shielding his family.