Haha maybe I’m getting old, but people ITT don’t seem to understand that “taking nudes” and deciding who, if anyone, gets to see them should be a basic right of privacy and freedom.
You should be insulted by, and scrutinize the idea of being told what you can and can’t do with your body and your data, including nudes and beyond.
“Oooo uh, shouldn’t have taken nudes!” is incel rhetoric.
This has been my take forever. Maybe women want to take nudes and send them to a sweetheart or maybe she’s just feeling hot and proud of herself. Good for her. Doesn’t mean they should be available for the world to see, nor should she be victim-blamed.
Same for the sub-hominids who say a woman was asking for it after being raped because she dressed provocatively. Yeah, she might have been dressing in a way to attract someone, that’s the goddamn point. It’s her prerogative, and guess what: she has the final say as to who can interact with her. Fuck outta here with this “she was asking to get raped” bullshit. Grow up and learn some goddamn self control, it’s insulting to insinuate that we, as men, are a monolith and do not have any.
Straight up. Not to derail this and make it about men but I would be remiss not to add that the idea that men are incapable of controlling ourselves around women is sexist against men too.
It’s such a weird argument to throw men under the bus to justify victim-blaming women.
Absolutely; like I said, I find it deeply insulting and it absolutely is sexist. In the vein of “we cain’t have a wummun president because she’d start a war soon’s she gets her period”, we could say that “national security is threatened because the men can’t stop awooga-ing at that hot dame’s cans”. It’s patently ridiculous and we all should be offended by these idiots, christ.
My cousin told one of his employees that she shouldn’t talk or make friends with men other than her SO, and that she should have known what was going to happen. This was immediately following said employee being kissed and groped by a man that she had only ever been nice to.
My cousin is a man who believes that immigrants and women are at fault for the decline of western society. I’m sure he feels that way about LGBTQ+ folks too. Of course they adhere to the mindless horny ape narrative. These people look for any excuse to exercise and hone their bigotry.
How does he feel about burqas?
Idk, he’s got a thin blue line sticker on his too-large-to-be-anything-but-compensating-for-something truck if that helps narrow it down?
I look at it more on the level of discussing crimes via text or email or what have you. (I’m not saying sexting is or should be a crime. It’s an analogy).
If you don’t want it to get out, don’t document it. If you don’t care if it gets out, do whatever you want.
That’s not to say that it wouldn’t also be nice to have control over your own image nor that people shouldn’t go to jail for revenge porn, etc., but once it’s out there, it’s out there. You can’t put it back into Pandora’s box. That’s just how reality works.
Yeah, I get that part, it’s entirely too easy for shit to go wrong. But victim-blaming is tepid, wet garbage, and always points in the wrong direction. We need to get better, as a collective, at locking our data the fuck down, and slapping the shit out of the people who act maliciously with it.
Sometimes we take the wrong choices because we aren’t perfectly logical machines. Sure thing everyone (yeah me as well y’know) could use some extra precaution, but you can’t blame people for that. Aim at the criminals, not the victims. That equals saying that you can’t make mistakes, in a way it’s true but it’s often a justification for victim blaming.
See that’s the unique problem here. As long as there’s a method of sharing photos there’s going to be a way to compromise that system. And corporations aren’t built around data privacy. They’re built around selling data. So not only do they have an access route for your friends, they’ve left an access route for themselves too. All a bad guy has to do is spoof that connection and they can pull everything. That’s not something you can get rid of until you get rid of capitalism.
Yes, exactly, capitalism is always the enemy, let’s point the blame where it actually belongs
[not /s, beeteedubs]
I’m glad you cleared that up, it did read a bit like sarcasm. But yes, we can’t have true data security or privacy for one very important reason.
It doesn’t create value for the shareholders
I’m really not following your reasoning in this thread. Are you arguing that we would have a way to securely transfer nude images to another individual and prevent them from distributing that image if such a technology created value for shareholders? And we can’t do that because it doesn’t?
I might get driven out of town for this but people claiming such things aren’t less than you. They are either massively ignorant and being lead on by psychopaths or they are deeply disturbed and need medical attention. They are not less than you, nobody and no living creature is, in fact.
Seeing others as less than ourselves or our group is the root cause for our predicament (wars, poverty, cruelty, social injustice, etc.). I’m not saying the situation is okay. I’m saying hate isnt the answer and it changes exactly nothing, which is exactly what we’re supposed to do. Instead we could start calling out our drinking buddies when they grab “dat hot ass” instead of cheering them on. Objectifying anyone (without their express approval) isnt an option.
No, I think I see what you’re saying and I agree, we all need to do better. Even when we hold views opposing that dumb sexist crap, it’s not enough merely to have those views, we should act on them and teach others to do so. I fully agree with the notion that young men today have terrible role models right now and we need to do better.
Yes, that is exactly what I mean. I appreciate the honest and friendly response. Thank you.
And the smokers should have the right for a cigarette without fear of a lung cancer, yet here we are… Life is unfair, and every step you take to protect yourself counts.
If lung cancer had sentience and self control, I’d be all for hunting it down, arresting it and publically shaming it before blaming smokers, but AI-driven smoke particles are still a few years out.
What I don’t get is that this attitude means we all get less nudes. If a woman doesn’t know that a man’s gonna treat her intimacy with respect, she’s going to hesitate before she does it. If we appreciated them enough not to leak them and not show them to others, women would have one less barrier and we’d all get more nudes.
This is the correct take, for everyone up voting the bullshit victim blaming throughout the thread. Glad I’m going in for a therapy appointment right now cuz holy shit
Haha maybe I’m getting old, but people ITT don’t seem to understand that “taking nudes” and deciding who, if anyone, gets to see them should be a basic right of privacy and freedom.
You should be insulted by, and scrutinize the idea of being told what you can and can’t do with your body and your data, including nudes and beyond.
“Oooo uh, shouldn’t have taken nudes!” is incel rhetoric.
Besides, with what deepfakes can do, the whole argument is flawed from the beginning, as we know that the image of a victim can be used without her knowledge, or even without nudes in the first place. It’s a violation of trust, with permanent effects on the victims…that cannot be undone even with the best efforts.
As a late zoomer, I agree with you 100%. Whilst it’s reasonable to advise that people take precautions and know the risks, there’s way too many people that are on the side of “Oooo uh, shouldn’t have taken nudes!”. There are way too many crimes that are so common nowadays that the victim just gets flippantly blamed for not looking out for themselves better.
Trying to give a more relatable example for the incels, how would you feel if you’d got a nice hefty bikelock, locked your bike up against a bike stand, and you come back an hour later to find that someone’s picked and stolen it? You knew the risks of leaving a bike unattended, you took what you thought were good enough precautions and it still got stolen. Is it your fault? Should you have just walked? Why did you even leave the house?
If I print out your righteous comment will it protect me from nude leaks?
Yeah my nudes are completely accessible to people with a fetlife account and I’m fine with that.
The problem isn’t the existence of nude photos. The problem is the existence of shitty people who spread those photos without your consent. And unlike a physical object, once those photos are out there, they cannot be put back. And it doesn’t even have to be someone you know. One bad public Wi-Fi connection and all your photos just got uploaded to a stranger’s server.
If the risk reward on that is okay with you then go have fun. We’ll commiserate with you when they get stolen. But we’re not going to pretend you didn’t create that possibility. Just like a free climber or a sky diver.
If you sabotaged someone’s parachute on purpose, you’d definitely be charged with a crime. Possibly murder.
Would that mean the jumper should’ve accounted for the possibility of someone wanting to murder them? Because if so, that argument could be applied to literally everything.
“If you didn’t want your car stolen, why did you buy a car?”
Just on the practical side of things though: the second you send out nudes, you lose control. I can save them, copy them, store them for 10 years and then post them on 4chan and there isn’t a thing you can do about that to stop me or even punish me. It’s easy to hide the source (me, in this example).
Yeah, you should have the right to do what you want, you should be able to be a pretty girl and walk naked in front of a bunch of fanatical Muslim terrorists if you want without having to feel afraid but, you know, not a great idea.
So you get to the point where you should be pragmatic and limit your wants and needs depending on the situation. Either that, or accept that trouble will find you
… You know, reading some of the replies and attitudes here towards the nudes part, the phrase “It’s her fault for dressing so provocatively” comes to mind.
Edit: Compassion 101, because apparently we’re doing this:
- You have no right to tell anyone what to do with their body provided that everyone consents and fully understands the situation.
- If you know things that they might have missed, gently let them know, but back off if they don’t want your input.
- If something bad happens to someone, even if it is their fault, for the love of god don’t lecture them on how it was their fault. Give them emotional support and advice on how to fix things, not what they should have done in the past.
Given the state of privacy we have and how companies treat security, I’d rather compare it to going shopping while leaving the door of your house wide open. Yes, if something gets stolen, the thieve is still the criminal. It is still not a great idea. I’d say no nudes or do it with an analogue camera and develop the photos yourself. I’d also say, this rule is unisex.
Yeah, but the correct response to that is “okay, you should have checked that the door was locked before you headed off” rather than “well, you should never leave your house because the lockpicking lawyer can unlock doors in seconds”.
It’s a massive overcorrection imo to say that because there’s a chance they might get leaked then it’s her “fault” for doing it in the first place.
It’s also misogynistic as hell to blame a woman because she trusted a man who betrayed that trust.
Who is blaming? It is simply a warning. If you take nudes (male or female or diverse) expect it to appear somewhere. We don’t have privacy, privacy is a thing of the past.
I think the key thing people need to realize here is that digital security on consumer devices is not a priority for any corporation. So it’s like you closed your door, but it’s actually just a sheet of cardboard. It looks really good, most people think it’s a wooden door. But it’s not.
Given the state of privacy we have and how companies treat security, I’d rather compare it to going shopping while leaving the door of your house wide open.
He literally says “never take any selfies” in the comic. ‘Going shopping and leaving your door open’ doesn’t make any sense in this context. What if you take a selfie, and (safely, however that would be) give it to your partner.
Five years later you break up and they post it online. How is that ‘leaving the door to your house open’ exactly?
What about making an analog video with a partner, again you break up later, and it’s put online. Is that ‘leaving the door to your house open’?
Or are you agreeing with the comic and saying women (or anyone really) should never ever take pictures/videos/etc of themselves naked/otherwise compromised, because the image/etc could go online?
It’s more like locking your door and then getting robbed because there was an exploit on your door’s lock that a thief used to get inside.
So you’re saying the solution is, never go shopping.
That would only be an equivalent if you had the alternative of storing all your belongings in your own personal extradimensional space which is inaccessible to the thief, but instead chose to leave all your valuables sitting on your coffee table. It should be safe there, but it’s going to be a lot safer if it doesn’t occupy the same realm as the thief or the shitty lock.
The alternative is to not have valuables and live an ascetic lifestyle. Valuables are just luxuries.
You don’t need a TV, much like you don’t need to take nude selfies. Zero difference imo
The difference is that your house and TV are physical. You can try to secure them but, there’s nowhere else to put them.
Unless you are snapping polaroids or using actual film, nude selfies are not physical things, just data. Data that exists purely offline is going to be as secure as any physical object, but data on a connected device or in a server somewhere is only as secure as the weakest link in the chain. Given the evaporation of privacy and the ever increasing trend of connecting accounts and storing everything in the cloud, and the overabundance of permissions that apps demand, it takes consistent effort to keep your data secure.
How would you treat a picture of your credit card info? Or all your logins and passwords? Would you be comfortable just leaving it in your phone’s picture gallery? Would you knowingly store it in an icloud or onedrive account? Who would you be comfortable sending it to? How would you send it? Do you trust that other person’s data security practices?
If you’re going to have a credit card, you should be aware of the potential risks so that you can protect yourself. It’s not all or nothing, there will always be some risk but the key is to be aware so you can make informed decisions and manage that risk. The same goes for any data which you want to remain private, including nudes.
Don’t own anything you don’t want to get stolen. Still not seeing a difference. You don’t have to have a TV.
Owning vs not owning is binary, all or nothing, a strict dichotomy.
Data security and risk management is a vast spectrum of possibilities. We all make decisions about those risks, whether we acknowledge it or not. The risk is real, but not completely beyond our control. The more aware we are of the actual risks, and of the ways in which those risks can be mitigated, the more prepared we can be to make informed decisions. It’s not just whether or not you do something, but also how you do it.
Ignoring risks doesn’t negate them. Privacy violations shouldn’t happen, but that doesn’t mean they won’t. The violator is the one who is wrong, the victim doesn’t deserve it, but that doesn’t undo what happened to them to make them the victim. Maybe we can make a better world someday where these things don’t happen, but until we do, this the reality we have to live with, and all we can do is exercise our best judgement.
You’re right.
Nobody should own things because security is not good enough.
It’s exactly like saying something as dumb as that.
And I love unisex rules that apply almost exclusively to women!
If you give someone something, you can’t really control what they do with it and if you don’t want them to have that power or don’t trust them not to abuse it you probably shouldn’t give that to them in the first place, as a general principle. This applies equally to a woman’s nudes, a guy’s nudes, your house keys, etc.
And I’d keep anything even vaguely sensitive info-wise protected by a strong password as a minimum as an at least mild deterrent for internet weirdos that you aren’t actually giving the thing to. Because you can go after said weirdos, but you can’t put the genie back in the bottle.
And I love unisex rules that apply almost exclusively to women!
…only because no one has any empathy for a guy whose pics get used in ways he doesn’t want. Basically it’s not that the rule isn’t really unisex, but that people only care when the possible bad result happens to a woman (or some flavor of non-cis person).
Hell, there are Facebook groups that in a practical sense mostly function to let women who are unhappy drag on their exes and try to ruin potential future relationships for them, couched in claims that they exist to protect women from predators. Including occasionally passing around nudes of the dudes in question, if they think it’ll get mocked. Those are unlikely to be going anywhere, and any serious attempt to remove them will get reported on as creepy dudes on the internet trying to harass women into no longer being able to protect themselves from creepy dudes on the internet.
You are free to take and send nudes, but with how shit some people are and how much shit gets hacked, you’re taking a risk with that move that those photos get leaked.
It’s just how things are.
I’m ugly as fuck so my nudes will never spread far.
Unless you’re hideous enough to be like an internet sideshow
No, I’m not that interesting.
Just boringly ugly.
That just attracts certain creeps even more. They like nudes of unattractive people because it is its own kind of a validation that her boyfriend entirely demolished her trust for him (and that’s a big kink of them), because there’s no way she’s couldn’t tell she’s not attractive and therefore wouldn’t want everybody to body-shame her and that’s why she shared the pictures with utmost trust.
I have seen such degenerates. They make incredibly disgusting and disheartening comments on the victim.
Lemmites love going against the grain because they think it’s a personality.
i mean we should be able to take nude selfies in fucking peace.
but you are wrong if you arent assuming everything you post online isnt going to some corporate database, and aint going to leak eventually.
That’s a bad comparison. No one has to take nude selfies. Walking down the street is something everyone will do at some point.
So if someone enjoys something that isn’t strictly required to live, they forfeit any implicit right to safety and privacy?
No, but they should understand the risks.
It’s allowed to go parachuting, but when you go parachuting we teach you that it is dangerous and that sometimes people die or get hurt. It’s not necessarily their fault that they got hurt, but at the end of the day the result is the same. If the risks aren’t acceptable to you then of you know of them, you can decide to not take the risks and not go parachuting.
In an ideal world, nobody would get hurt, your chute would work every time, and you would always land perfectly. But in the real world, people do get hurt and while we can and do strive to make safer and safer parachutes, getting on that plane still means that there are risks.
This doesn’t mean that the people getting hurt are to blame for going parachuting. It’s a fun activity that is usually safe, but if you don’t want to get hurt then don’t do the activity that puts you in danger.
This also doesn’t mean that if someone were to push you off the plane, that person didn’t have your blood on their hands. In the case of nudes leaking there is always a perpetrator who ought to be held accountable, it doesn’t just “happen”. But the internet is a big plane with insane people, and getting on such a plane is a risk you take, and if it were a real plane we would similarly say “do not fly on this plane unless you’re absolutely certain you have everything on lock, because it is extremely dangerous”
Agreed. Sharing nudes is risky, and something people should consider wisely.
I just don’t agree with the weird victim blaming that is going on here and the idea that if a woman shares her photos then she shouldn’t expect any privacy.
It’s definitely the same for people who aren’t women. But the author decided to go with what they did.
I think you’re buying too much of the self-righteous asshole’s perspective. He’s the only one dismissing it. Normal people dismiss bad stuff in this EXECT SAME way. It’s the same as the people who respond to news of a rape with, “what was she wearing?”
The comic is explicitly showing that the attitude is wrong even when applied to lesser things like nudes leaking.
Not op and I don’t think they forfeit that right at all.
What I have wrestled with is: where is the line between taking precautions against known threats and victim blaming?
Maybe the line is temporal.
After someone is victimized, we can acknowledge that and maybe keep our mouths shut with victim blaming nonsense like, “you should have done XYZ”. Because that doesn’t help, further hurts the victim, and saying it makes you an asshole.
Prior to being victimized isn’t it up to each of us to evaluate and manage personal risks given all the threats we face every day? I think so and I think each of us is responsible for learning about and managing risk and deciding what precautions to take.
That isn’t to say we must take every precaution no matter how impractical or outrageous (like not walking on the sidewalk or never taking nude selfies).
It is never acceptable to tell someone else what their risk tolerance is or to dictate to them what precautions to take.
Doing that is being an asshole.
And I now believe that is where the line is drawn.
It is shitty to tell others how to live their life. It is good, however, to be willing to help people be aware of and understand the risks they face and offer advice if asked, on mitigating those risks. Provided your goal is to help and you don’t act like a sanctimonious ass.
Whatever we do, we may still be victimized and the blame always rests squarely on the shoulders of the perpetrator. They took the action that victimized us.
If you couldn’t tell I do cybersecurity as a living. My job isn’t to manage risk, it’s to help others achieve their objectives while understanding and managing risks they face.
Well said. It’s all risk management.
It’s obnoxious for people to tell people what risks to take. And demonstrates a complete lack of compassion to lecture people when these risks don’t pan out.
That’s the issue here, which people seem to be missing.
People should know how computers work before they take pictures of their naughty bits with it.
Actually people should have a basic understanding of anything they’ve built a significant portion of their lives in or on.
But here we are, apparently.
Interesting interpretation of their comment
False dilemma says what?
I enjoy sending my social security number to people I know. Should I expect anything other than identity fraud? There are consequences to your actions and there’s no reason to send nudes to someone that could leak them.
And yet you send your security number to banks and your job. Curious.
Yes I do but it would be their fault if my info got leaked. Similarly, if I sent a nude to my spouse, it would be their fault if it got leaked. I’m both cases, extreme care is to be taken and sensitive things should only be sent to trustworthy parties.
In some countries it’s against the law for women to leave the house without their husband’s permission.
So there are likely men who actually would believe that a woman doesn’t NEED to walk down the street any more than take a nude selfie.
It does compare how people will have a sliding scale where they don’t hold the right people for the action that belongs to them and switch it out where it’s convenient. It becomes an all roads lead to blaming women. You just did it yourself. Meanwhile here i am in the world where nudes could exist and me not hacking them. I think I figured out how control over personal actions work. I think you can figure it out also.
Men take nude selfies a lot too.
And at times a bit too willing to distribute it…without consent of the receiver.
I didn’t bring gender into this, you did. This issue applies to anyone. Once you take a nude picture and send it to someone, you no longer have control over it. There’s a non-zero chance someone you didn’t want to see it, will see it. Is hacking to steal someones nudes wrong? Yes. Does it still happen? Yes. I think people should be aware of this before doing something they can’t take back.
The topic is an entitled white male mansplaining to women. Bit late to play ‘this isn’t gender’ now.
Person 1 takes some nudes and sends them to committed long term partner, long term partner’s cyber security is lax and Person C gets access to P1’s nudes and uploads them.
Person 2 has never taken nude photos, but unknown to them used a fitting room that Person D had hidden a spy camera in. Person D uploads these photos to the Internet.
How different do you think these two cases are?
Very?
OK, explain.
And if we’re talking about personal responsibility, to what extent you think it differs.
Specifically taking nudes (and sending them) seems a different sort of risk to just having been in front of a camera that was hacked.
I don’t think i Person 2’s case they would be considered “selfies”
OK so because it’s selfies, so person 1 is responsible for her images leaking in a way person 2 is not?
Or do you feel that selfies are a level above and beyond just nude photos by virtue of having been self taken? If so, what sets nude selfies apart from sexy photos taken by a long term partner if anything?
I think the responsible one is the one leaking them. But the only real way to prevent them leaking is not to take them.
Or do you feel that selfies are a level above and beyond just nude photos by virtue of having been self taken? If so, what sets nude selfies apart from sexy photos taken by a long term partner if anything?
I guess the difference is what you can do to lower the risk. You can decide not to take nude selfies or allow someone else to (with consent) photo yourself naked. Someone taking photos of you without you knowing, much less you can do about it.
With specifically nude selfies (not just any nude photo) you can stop them from leaking by not taking them. A nude photo, I guess the only way would be to go nevernude with clothes you can’t see through in any way or something. One is a bit more feasible.
You’re not wrong.
But I also don’t think it’s a big delta in risk chance in a lot of cases, meanwhile in some parts of the world (looking at you East Asia) spy cameras are a huge problem.
There are, I imagine millions of nude photos taken that never leak.
I think a reason many feminists feel strongly on the issue is that it really throws society’s whore-virgin paradigm into relief, where women with sexuality are pushed to take the blame for their actions without much (any) consideration for them as people. Which is the reason “just don’t take them” gets the hostile reaction it does, and is a ridiculed response.
It feels like a kneejerk reaction to just a truthful statement. You can’t control what others do with your photos if you send them and with how device and account security is, you are taking a known risk by taking them. I’m sure some assign blame in the same breath but I don’t think in itself it assigns any blame.
It may be, but even knowing all that it is hardly helpful advice, and at least out of context and not knowing the people talking doesn’t seem to contain empathy or sympathy.
And is devoid of criticism of the actual leaker of the photos.
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I’m not sure I’d count it as pedantry when everything was specifically talking about taking nude selfies and the other person started talking about something different.
I was interested in seeing if they felt differently about photos taken ones self in a ratively secure and trusted setting and then the photo was taken without permission versus an actual taken without permission.
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How’s that cocoon going?
How’s that cocoon going?
That whistle makes my dog flinch.
There’s also a lot of context being ignored. Nude selfies are usually taken with a smartphone by someone who has numerous connected accounts and apps that can potentially have access to those pictures. And that’s assuming they stay on your phone and not in the cloud by default. And that no one else is physically interacting with your phone.
In the dystopian hellscape of modern technology, everything is connected, your data is not your own, and privacy is obsolete. Fighting that trend and keeping your data secure is a constant battle that the typical user gave up on long ago.
Imagine if people were taking pictures of their passwords, credit card numbers, social security cards (or equivalent sensitive data for those in other countries) and various forms of identification. What would you need to do to feel those pictures were safe from unwanted attention? And would it really be surprising if someone pointed out that this is an unnecessary risk?
I knew it felt off, I just couldn’t figure out why
Just taking nudes is not really your fault. If you know how to safely store them.
You get fault Points for:
- storing them unencrypted
- storing them in unsafe places (online, in a publicly-available Folder on your Computer)
- sending them to other people
- sending them via unencrypted means
- sending them via a avenue that makes backups
The Reason we recommend not taking nudes isn’t because it is your fault if you do, it’s because we know most people are tech-illiterate and don’t know how to safely handle dangerous/compromising Material.
The first point in the comic is certainly valid, giving the technical literacy of many people.
If you’re taking nudes for yourself and not to share… I think you’re in an extreme minority. People take nudes to share. And:
- People suck. That person you’re in love with now might UN’s to being the person who burns your clothes when you break up with them.
- Information wants to be free. This is what a lot of your points touch on, but the fact is, several companies have access to your data, and making digital copies is so trivial it’s often automatic.
- Digital information is forever. Because of (2), once you take a nude, it’s harder to get rid of it than preserve it.
- If you share it once, it’s not utterly out of your control. It might be out of the control of the person you share it with; at the very least, if you text it, some techs at your service provider are going to make copies. For gods sake, use E2E chat, people. Another point you raised about digital hygiene.
Yeah, the first panel is entirely justified. It’s like whining about how you shouldn’t have to lock your car doors when you park downtown.
I agree so I upvote, I’m just wondering what “UN’s” is supposed to be in point 1? It’s obviously bad autocorrect but I can’t figure out what it should be
Yeah, autocorrect, and I have no idea what it thought it was correcting to. Probably “end up.” The autocorrect on this keyboard is sort of context aware, so if it got “turn” wrong, then it is also likely to correct “up” to “to”. I’ve gotten some weird sentences out of it by not paying attention. Remember the fad when you’d create a sentence by just picking the next suggested word? I get that sometimes - it’s exacerbated by my use of swipe.
The keyboard is HeliBoard, and it’s probably the best one I’ve used since I quit using the default keyboards, but it does some strange stuff sometimes.
Now we’ve had this conversation, I’m going to have to leave the weird construction.
honestly my “solution” to the problem is damage control. No metadata on nudes, no face ever, no identifying bits of me on the photo (i either blur out or remove my tattoo in photoshop entirely, or i just don’t have it in the frame)
the liklihood of your nudes coming back to haunt you gets significantly decreased, when there’re seas upon oceans of similar photos online
This stuff depends on context.
If it’s the first time someone is told this, sure. If someone is asking not to be constantly harassed for having done this once, then that person is right. Once they’ve been told once, it’s plenty if education is the goal. If the person knows to tell you not to tell them that, they’ve been told once. If someone is asking that the guy who leaked the nudes be acted against, then that person is right. If someone is excusing shitting behavior because the victim should have protected themselves better, they are blaming the victim, shame on them.
No.
Yeah “no” exactly… no to sharing with people who are technology illiterate, have no ethics or loyalty to keep personal information confidential. As a guy who loves to receive nudes, it’s not worth it for most women honestly.
When we talk about cybersecurity or theft in general, it’s always your fault if you leave the door unlocked.
Holy victim shaming Batman.
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Okay how bout you continue doing it YOUR fucking way then
Yeah, it’s all good advice but labelling it “fault points” is
kindavery insensitive and ignores that people spreading the nudes are in the wrong.There are ways to inform people how to protect themselves without blaming them
How is labeling fault points fault points victim blaming you do realize when people talk about how something fails they typically use the term fault points to refer points where something was faulty like a worn tire being the reason a car crashed
The phrasing was “you get fault points for” which strongly suggests assigning fault rather than listing out “points at fault”.
Also I think the term would be “points of failure” for the way you read it. At least that’s howbive heard it used and used it myself.
You worded that so much better than me
Most people aren’t engineers, it read different to me. Especially when it’s used like “you get fault points for” it sounds more personal than saying “the fault points were”. It sounds a lot like saying someone is at “fault” to someone who hasn’t heard of “fault points” before
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The rule about noods isn’t just a rule for half our population. The victim-shaming in the next panel really launders the issue, though. I’m left now wondering whether the writer intentionally equated exhibitionism with just trying to walk home, and what that means for the thesis.
The rules are not, but the victims are overwhelmingly female. Being intentionally obtuse about that doesn’t discredit their argument.
yeah, if i’m in a raccoon of self righteousness for telling people your nude selfies trend toward 100% at some point being seen by people you didn’t intend to see them, then I guess I’m washing my food in a stream.
If you don’t want bad thing to happen don’t do things that lead to bad thing
Truly, the self-righteousness is off the scales
Imagine unironically thinking women shouldn’t be able to walk down the street without being hit on.
Yeah, imagine that. And who says that you mean?
I believe they’re saying you do. I also believe you are also saying you do. Perhaps we’re mistaken.
Not sure how you gathered that conclusion from what I said
“don’t do thing that leads to bad thing”. When the thing in the comic that lead to bad things was walking down the street.
Yeah, well, that’s not quite the same as the guys comment, is it?
I think peoples reading comprehension here is lacking
Bothered by street harassment? Don’t be so eager to walk down the street.
If you don’t want bad thing to happen don’t do things that lead to bad thing
I live in a cocoon too, but it’s more like one of self doubt.
if you don’t want your nudes to leak, use end-to-end encrypted messaging apps and file storage to send those.
Proton Drive is great, signal messenger, session messenger, but not whatsapp, whatsapp is owned by facebook, not secure, not private.
imessage is quantum encrypted now, BUT! it’s owned by apple and they can still see the content of every message you send.
I think the main point of failure of sharing nudes is the human on the receiving end:
- Vengeful ex partners
- Partners that want to show you off
- Partners with a monetary incentive
- Partners that leave their devices unlocked or keep your nudes in an easily accessible location
That’s not gonna prevent the person you sent them to to leak them. Just saying.
Just post them publicly and take away your detractors power.
And that, kids, is how OnlyFans was invented.
Mine are for free, but they are infrequent.
As much as I hate WhatsApp - and I really, vehemently do - I’m pretty sure it is E2EE. Facebook/Meta doesn’t directly have access to the contents of your messages or shared media. If you have any evidence to suggest otherwise I’d love to see it.
Problem is, I don’t know if it’s still set up like this but it used to be that received photos were saved to your device gallery, and perhaps even backed up to the cloud with your camera photos, depending on your setup and device. So the photos might leak through there, but they don’t leak through Meta.
Whatsapp uses the singal encryption protocols which is E2EE. As far as if Meta is still scraping info from the app side… can’t say.
As much as I hate WhatsApp - and I really, vehemently do - I’m pretty sure it is E2EE.
it’s encrypted, but it’s facebook’s own encryption. They can decrypt it whenever they want. And facebook owned services are constantly getting hacked.
As for pictures being saved by other things on your device, get rid of those other things and replace them with proton drive
As I said, if you have any evidence to suggest that Facebook can decrypt it, I’d love to see it. It’s common knowledge that they use the Signal protocol, which to my interpretation means the encryption keys are generated and stored by the users’ devices, not accessible to FB.
I have to use whatsapp for work (I can’t believe it either) and yes, every photo sent to my work’s group chat is auto backed up to my phone’s local storage.
“I could be bounded in a nutshell, and count myself a king of infinite space”
–Hamlet
Why is this a video?
Don’t rush his metamorphosis, he’ll hatch from that cocoon eventually…
He’s right about the first one
And this is a unisex rule.
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Don’t want your bike stolen? Don’t own a bike.
Exactly. It’s a risk assessment.
Don’t want your bike stolen? Get a bike lock!
If you don’t want your nude selfies to leak you should store them locally and encrypt them. Then only send them through half decent methods.
… And then the other party uploads then to OneDrive because they didn’t realise it’s turned on by default.
Then only send them through half decent methods.
Oh so not through Facebook?
The only sure way to not have your nude pictures “leak” is to not have nude pictures. It’s that simple. Any further discussion is regarding some other point.
Sure, but if you’re doing it in a smart way, its effectively impossible for them to be leaked. So, you can still have them without worrying.
“And just tell men ‘no’! I know you have it in you! Just be brave!”
This is the second post I’ve seen in two days where people come out of the woodwork to victim blame women specifically. Hey Lemmy, what’s going on?
I mean to me this reads like its making fun of victim blamers but maybe I’m just reading it wrong?
The post is, yes, but people are commenting all throughout here with victim (mostly women) blaming.
I think it’s mostly an interference with data privacy philosophy that is very strong on Lemmy, they are blaming people who are not careful about handing their data to companies in general, not only women, although they should be more clear to avoid your interpretation.
although they should be more clear to avoid your interpretation.
It’s literally in a thread where a guy tells women it’s their fault their nudes were leaked. I’m not sure what other ‘interpretation’ one would make here.
they are blaming people who are not careful about handing their data to companies in general
He says, in the comic, ‘don’t take any (nudes).’ Someone makes an analog video/takes pictures with someone/etc, and it gets moved revenge porn - by far the most frequent way (non-famous) people’s nudes are leaked - there’s not some data pirate or whatever stealing it, it’s someone with direct access to it. Unless we’re saying people should be psychic and know what everyone around them will do, there’s no way to 100% prevent this.
It’s literally in a thread where a guy tells women it’s their fault their nudes were leaked. I’m not sure what other ‘interpretation’ one would make here.
That’s a satire, not a promotion of this behavior. Unless I am the one misinterpreting this op.
I agree that the privacy issue is not only due to company/pirating but also bad behavior of recipients. So let me extend the point to handling private data to someone else in general. I’m not saying this point is the best, just that this is what most critical comments are about here, not the gender of the person.
Gotcha. Yeah. Lemmy has some unsavory elements that caused me to leave for a few months. I’m back on a trial basis at the moment
If you can stomach it, the best way to beat it is to drown out their voices, and also block them. Suddenly it feels a lot better, and eventually it’s just trolls talking to each other, and everyone else talking with each other.
I think you’re confusing two things. The fact that yeah taking and especially sending nudes puts you at risk vs assigning blame. A lot of people seem to think saying the first means you’re doing the second for some reason.
