• ayyy@sh.itjust.works
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    7 days ago

    In complicated matters, the simplest explenation is almost always the correct one: he supports the genocide but he’s too cowardly to own up to it.

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      His statement basically said he’s against it but is too much of a bitch to vocalize that because he’ll get canceled too, something about “not disappointing the fans” by either pulling out or getting pulled by the promoter.

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        It’s a bullshit excuse no matter how you cut it. The truth of the matter is that he was not willing to be inconvenienced by having to cancel his tour in solidarity with people he supposedly agrees with. And if you frame your cancellation as “We cannot proceed with the tour because these venues won’t allow us to play because of our support of Palestine.” Who are the fans truly going to be mad at? The artists and the bands? Or the corporate-owned venues that are sycophantly siding with genocidal Israel and attempting to stifle free speech?

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          We cannot proceed with the tour because these venues won’t allow us to play because of our support of Palestine

          and then you find smaller venues that are delighted to host however many of your fans show up because you’re able to continue the tour with the band that was getting cut.

          it’s hard work, and it’s expensive, but it’s better than, well, what we got.

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      I think its the other way around, really, from what he said. Either way, its bad and he’s paying for it

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      It’s amazing to me that we are in an era where neutrality is not only not an option, it’s worse than picking a side because then everyone on all sides sneers at you for being at best an idiot and at worst a coward.

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        Won’t sooooomeboiooody think of the NEUTRALS!!!

        What’s not that amazing is that we’re in an era we’re being compliant, uninformed, ignorant and nonpolitical are treated as virtues. Because it’s been predicted and it’s planned, it’s not an accident.

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        Being neutral about something that is happening doesn’t stop it from happening. If you’re not stopping a genocide, you are a bad person. It’s pretty simple.

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          Being for, against or neutral about something that is happening doesn’t stop it from happening.

          FTFY

          Having an opinion that aligns with your beliefs is great. Israel should be ashamed of what they have done, and their leaders should be tried at the Hague for crimes against humanity.

          That happens to be my opinion. If someone rolled up and we started talking about it and they said they didn’t really know much about it, in the past that would be a surprise perhaps, and maybe a conversation would start. Now if someone said that there would be fuckwits calling them monsters while they pick Cheetos out if their unwashed navels and congratulate themselves for helping to stop a genocide.

          Or to rephrase an old classic: opinions are like assholes, people love to spread them online and act like it means something.

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            There are opinions, and there are verified, objective facts. You’re using the same logic that climate deniers use. Ohhhhh there’s just no way to know, I’m not convinced, climate goes in cycles.

            No, you don’t get to say that, it’s not an opinion. It’s just a denial of objective and rigorously proved and peer reviewed facts.

            Shame on you for denying the objectively proven and defined genocide. There is no debate. Only facts and perpetrators.

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              Ah, so by saying that Israel is wrong and their leadership should be tried for crimes against humanity, I am denying a genocide?

              Your entire comment is simply incorrect, pulled out of thin air, and yet you put it out there with confidence, as though you were propagating some eternal, objective truth.

              I’ll put it plainly: your reliance on the false truth that your opinion in and of itself makes a difference, and the aggression with which you push that lie makes me think that you’re acting at cross purposes to what you claim to be.

              If you were more than just a collection of letters on a screen you would have no problem discussing that what we are doing here, chatting on a platform in the far corners of the Internet, amounts to Jack shit in real terms. Trying to convince people otherwise would serve only to push them away from action, and closer to a certainty that at least they were good people. The shame, I am afraid, is on you.

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    We could show support for Maclemore’s stand by streaming Macklemore on your preferred streaming platform all day. If we all do that at least he will get some income and the numbers can help to show the world is on the same anti genocidal wavelength

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    Most of these billionaires only support Israel because its economy feeds America. Israel’s tech sector touches silicone valley in myriad ways. Israel’s lobbying arm gets politicians rich. Israeli aid gets spent with American contractors - especially military. It’s a big greedy circle jerk, not true solidarity on Israel’s actions. America only calls out genocide when its low stakes for the owner class or an enemy.

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      your mixing up your cause and effect. zionism is an export of the american elite, always has been

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    On Tuesday, Sheeran reiterated that the decision to drop Macklemore was not his, but that of promoter Messina Touring Group following pressure from the venues. “I have spent this week trying to build bridges, to find a solution and unfortunately, was unable to do so,” Sheeran wrote. “I know who I am, both as a person and as an artist, and those who know my heart know my values too.”

    Oh boohoo Ed, when stadium owners tell you “you can’t play here if he plays” about someone who did nothing wrong, then you make that demand public and tell the stadium owners and the public that that means the contract you had with them can not be executed as expected and that it means you can’t play their stadium. That’s a good move, ethically and in terms of publicity, because that holds the rich assholes responsible. Now all that shit will (rightfully) stick to your shoe, so don’t act surprised if people say you stink.

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    Maybe he thinks his fans are of mixed minds about this. He really failed to read the room here. Probably wasn’t paying attention.

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    Now no one can stay on the tour because staying will be saying youre pro isreal but default. This is why you always side with free speech.

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    I never had a particular fondness of Ed Sheeran but this entire drama made him 1000% more dislikeable. The claim that you’d specifically not use your platform to speak out on social injustices because you want “peace” and want to provide a safe space for your audience just means that you want to bury your head in the sand for money. What a load of crap

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      I kinda get what he wants - but situations outside his control have forced him to pick sides and he chose wrong. Doesn’t seem to get that there’s no fence to sit on here.

      Should’ve moved venues even if means cutting back attendance, showed support for your friend, and turned the narrative into “The billionaires cut OUR show because THEY’RE bigots”

      Incredible levels of self-own that have left him standing alone.

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      Art has a point of view. It’s not escapism it’s expression. If your music has no message you’re making elevator music not art.

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      If he wanted to be neutral he could have said “I don’t want to publically take a side on the conflict, but I will stand by free speech and mackelmore. If he can’t play then I won’t play”

      Better though if he just grew a pair…

      Also. Free Palestine.

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          I learned today that nazis think there are two sides to the holocaust

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            i’ve been struggling to wrap my brain around that concept, but i grew up where the idea of playing Cowboys and Indians (as a form of tag, when you’re a kid) was in the public consciousness somewhere. I can’t ever remember actually playing and calling it that. Maybe i saw it on the television or read about it? just you know a casual kids game commemorating the colonization and genocide of its land’s original people. it gets worse the more i think about it.

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              Damn I thought about that a couple months back and yeah, I remember playing it as a kid. I think it quickly got changed to cops and robbers, so maybe I was at the tail-end of that version; sure was a fucked-up thing to call a kids game.

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      For some reason it puts the Terminator song in my head. The victory version that rolls at the end credits.

      Must be the humans having a small victory over ‘the machine’.

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      Oh shit. I was wondering if he’d play his next date. I guess not. Unless he can find a new band in three days, LOL.

      Good on them.