Honestly it would just be leftist cannibalism. Lefties telling other lefties they aren’t left enough.
Hey you, reading this message, you aren’t left enough. Be more left.
I turned 270° to the left, is this right?
Thats right but you need to turn 90° more.
Meanwhile right wing internet would be distributing khakis and trudgens.
While I agree that I don’t like conservative content. Censorship is still censorship.
Legitimately the Internet was a better place before conservatives figured out how to use it.
They got in early. I remember researching the Holocaust for a school assignment in the late nineties/early aughts and the top result was a conspiracy theorist/Holocaust denial screed. An openly racist one with slurs and epithets throughout, no less. The early internet was wild.
There was also Stormfront, a white supremacist forum with hundreds of thousands of accounts. Members openly detailed their plans to infiltrate police precincts and federal agencies by having fellow Stormfronters already employed there vouch for them, with the goal of creating a network of supporters throughout the entire law enforcement apparatus to advance their supremacist agenda and sabotage any investigations into them. Looking at the news, it’s not hard to imagine they succeeded.
Fucking Stormfront. What an absolute abomination. I haven’t thought about them for years…
Sometime probably around the turn of the century I was emailed a link to like a Q & A or advice section on the site.
This nazi had to learn a second language and wanted to know where people drew the line as acceptable foreign languages.
Some said English only… but that Danish, German, Polish, Russian etc were kinda acceptable. Spanish, Italian, French etc was shaky ground and best avoided. Anything outside of Europe you might as well kill yourself before we do. That was the gist of the answers.
It was hilarious, terrifying and pitiful in equal measures…
“Legitimately the Internet was a better place before …” it became more like TV and a corporate shopping mall, and less like a Library and a village fair.
Before nerds made it easy enough for conservatives and normies to use it. We did this.
I joined a fb group in 2004 protesting the decision to open it to people without an edu address. Fortunately fuckerberg made the right decision and nothing bad has happened since then.
I remember making a facebook account right after he made that decision, lol.
so…never?
just because they weren’t old boomers doesn’t mean the nazi 14 yr olds were somehow not conservatives. If you could find any of the old longbeards from early unix forums and asked them their opinions on minorities I’m sure you’d get fun responses. They were always here, the difference is that they didn’t feel legitimized.
I disagree people need to understand each other. On the other hand toxic right wing misinformation? That can go fuck itself and its creators lol.
On the other hand toxic right wing misinformation? That can go fuck itself
That’s what they said, “right wing content”.
The only measure by which “we need police to protect people from criminals” is less toxic than “we need to stop migration to preserve the white race” is how palatable it is to centrists. Both promote causing harm to millions of people while pretending to be necessary for the safety of you and me, tricking people into supporting egregious violence against vulnerable minorities.
I’m not your mom, I can’t tell you how to resolve your cognitive dissonance, but the boundary you’re proposing is merely a popularity contest.
This is the kind of toxic content I was referring to yes. People can claim to be leftist and generate toxic misinformation, people can also be conservative but go on about their lives while respecting others. You may not be my mom but you definitely need one.
Also I should probably note, I don’t feel like discussing the distinction between these two with a person who enters the topic with insults. So have fun running around by yourself.
Any toxic information.
100% agreed, only said conservative because of the topic but toxic left misinformation should also go fuck itself and its creator
But conservatives use that considerably more than leftists. Almost all of the conservative thought are based on misinformation.
It is my feeling that people who are not really left wing or right wing themselves make misinformation content aimed at right wing - extreme right wing audience. Don’t get me wrong, fuck extreme right wings and beat a Nazi but people producing these content are either generally grifters or have some agenda they want to achieve via distrupting social order. So agree most disinformation campaigns of our decade target right wing and conservatives. Doesn’t mean it rings with every conservative, I know from personal friends that it does not.
“We aren’t really being persecuted, but imagine we were? Wow, that feels bad. That bad feeling justifies anything we want to do.”
The conservative thought process in a nutshell.
“I hate the smell of coffee. Let’s go to a coffee shop and demand it smell good TO ME” is the one I grew up with
So… Espresso is pretty great
Censorship yay!
If they censor your opponents, then they censor you next.
Or if you are AdmiralPatrick you censor the word censor
Or if you’re old enough just think back to the mid-90s Internet, when conservatives still had 12:00 blinking on their VCRs.
That’s not entirely fair. I know a dude who was a tech for the US army and is conservative. Dipshit told me he voted for Trump 4 times in 2016, which is the last time we spoke. It was an, uh, interesting conversation
If he voted for Trump he’s not conservative, and neither is MAGA.
splitting hairs there dude
Absolutely not splitting hairs - MAGA getting away with posing as “conservative” is a big deal. Genuine conservatism in America has become almost totally submerged.
there are lots of people whining “they’re not conservative, they’re authoritarian” who are both conservative and authoritarian. it’s not like a lot of them aren’t both.
“Lots of people” whining doesn’t change the fact that what we call modern conservatism is no longer conservative. If you aren’t going to make an actual point I’m done.
gonna be honest, the only folk i know who split those hairs are folk whining that, and i quote my idiot brother “modern conservatism has left me behind”
Sure but the framing for conservatism in this thread is PragerU who absolutely see it all as the same thing.
Just like I can go into topics about digital games and rightfully point our bluray and dvd are digital media but all I’m really doing is shouting at clouds like an old man about a technicality.
He told you four times, or he voted four times?
Should be fairly hard to vote four times. If you send in absentee ballots and then go vote, well, you only get one voter id, so the previous attempt is just overwritten.
Maybe he fooled himself?
he voted absentee, then he went to
four[edit: wait, three. it’s been a bit] different precincts. he ignored all conversation in which they would have told them that this would cancel his absentee and any previous votes he had cast (which also cancelled his local votes. dipshit. he only voted for president on his fraudulent ballots). it’s almost like they built the system to plan for this kind of tomfoolery and fraud. and that they, meaning the authorities, would likely know what he was up to even if i didn’t (and wouldn’t, in light of our long friendship) report him, and that he was guilty of a 5 year max felony. which is what i told him. also warned him not to tell me about any more election-related crimes because i was obligated by my profession’s code of ethical conduct to report them. i wasn’t, but i wanted him to knock off his dipshittery maybe. haven’t seen him since.it’s almost like they built the system to plan for this kind of tomfoolery and fraud.
yeah.
fascist*
conservative are christian democrats (in the US a close equivalent would be Rockefeller Reps), à la Charlie Baker. Those are the real Reps. Trumpists and the like are RINOs.
a conservative is interested in keeping things as is, stable, favouring democracy (even if imperfect). They prefer to avoid a perceived ‘haste’ in change, but do not outright oppose it.
a fascist opposes both; they above all break down labour rights and align with the reactionary, irresponsible bourgeoise, rather than the proletariat whose labour they employ. Fascism favours the radical change into militarism to enforce its will, rather than building bridges through dialogue.
Love how this myth keeps being repeated
The dems in America are a lot closer to what conservatism classically is than republicans have been in over 50 years.
ike was the last of his kind. the civil rights acts of the 1960s broke the republican party… voter rights, desegregation… they could not (and still cannot) handle those people being equal. the ‘modern’ republican party is defined by their hatred.
a conservative is interested in keeping things as is, stable, favouring democracy (even if imperfect).
This has never been the case. People calling themselves conservatives have always been all about tearing down existing systems in order to magically replace them with a fever dream about how it was “in the good old days”. Conservatism has always been a destructive and dangerous ideology.
Regressive militaristic enforcement of hierarchy and in/out groups is absolutely “conservatism” at its core.
Some “conservatives” may not agree with every single point but the ideology remains the same.
Calling myself rich won’t make me rich.
Nah, man. Conservatives are the basic irritation of an old man like myself not wanting to change, because it’s fine. I finally understand the world and then these transes come along and want me to change the way I talk? Can’t they just pick a lane? Booo!
(I try not to listen to that urge in me, btw, and as a result I have accepted my bisexual self, got a cool trans-masc boyfriend at age 46 after a 20 year drought, had some seriously good sex, and gained a lot of fun new ideas. I understand conservatism, and I can respect it in some contexts, but I prefer progress.)
Reactionaries, though, they are spoiled brats. Instead of just refusing to change, they actively try to destroy what they fear. They try to control other people because they cannot accept that anyone else has rights. They are sociopaths, and they control the USA.
They call themselves conservatives, and they hide amomgst conservatives, but they are different.
Yeah, people always confuse reactionaries with conservatives. They are different philosophies entirely.
American conservatives are reactionaries
Certainly the politically active ones, yeah. Agreed entirely.
Just fork tesseract and replace the blocklist /s
Why the “\s”? That sounds like a most optimal solution!
Just remove half the blocklist, and instead of having a pure bland expetience, you’ll instead get extremism pure.
What’s there not to like?
Most criticism of tesseract was not necessarily the existence of the blocklist, but the lying about it to users and admins.
So this unironically, but be open about it so people know what they’re opting into.
I love how billionaires act like they’re arguing on behalf of the people they fleece, like they’re all in it together. It’s like a game of Lemmings. The ruling class leads them with rage bait and lies, and then walks them off a cliff when they’re done with them.
Working class people that think they’re in the big money club is as sad as it gets.
Also most of them defend billionaires fiercely. Its scary how easily so many people can be brainwashed with propaganda.
Yep. Well put.
Reminds also of the tactic of tacking totalitarianwards/tyrannywards, where identification on economics, or inconsequential cultural identifications, are played against each other, each professing to be the freedom side, and proclaiming the other the authoritarian side, while really the two sides both professing and proclaiming the other way, are in cahoots, and the sides they present, keep those identifying with the sides, fighting each other. Like the more libertarian left hoodwinked by the authoritarian left telling the libertarian left that the authoritarian left are just like them, the libertarian left, and that all the right are the authoritarians to fear. And the same on the other side, the authoritarian right telling the more libertarian right that the authoritarian right are just like them, the libertarian right, and that [classic Mc’Carthian redscare con here:] the left are all the authoritarians to fear. And then to hide this, placations are loudly given, each side, ((at least) professing to) return a freedom, “personal” or “economic”, depending on which side, while simultaneously quietly taking away two freedoms of the other ilk. The other side repeats this. Cons their side that they care, and are the strongman saviour you need to protect you against the other side’s rampant scary authoritarianism. Back and forth it goes, tacking to totalitarianism and tyranny, for so long as we keep falling for it, keep identifying with these 1-bit binary groujpthink identifications of “left” and “right” with ignorance of the con. I say, lets stop falling for it.
“You and I are not in the big club.” – George Carlin.
How would I know who I’m supposed to hate?
Anyone different than yourself, duh. Conservatism isn’t difficult.
Just hate humans and worship cats.
Easy. You’d just carry on hating anyone who points out your book already insists you “love the sinner, hate the sin”. World view intact. Just anyone who tries to offer you logic.
You would think
The internet has become so much less angry in the last few days since I rigorously block everyone arguing in bad faith, reich-wingers and lemmy.ml
I mean I read a technical manual last night to fall asleep
Or that Garfield comic where on one side you got the grey Garfield toxically arguing a lot with people on Shitter, versus Garfield simply blocking.
Why’s that guy trying to get us to manifest his absence from our view?
On some level, he knows what he does is wrong, but cannot help himself. …And so, this is his cry for help?
Poor fool, apparently knows no other tool but the hammer, only questions which direction to swing it, and didn’t question even that very much at all. Unthinkable to him, to cease wielding that hammer, and start to learn about other tools. … Then maybe they’d be out of the redscare psyop’s conflation; out of the authoritarian opposame; out of the arrogant naive-realist presumption; out of the agnotologically abused co-perpetration that he points his finger at, oblivious to the three pointing back.
Pesky adhominous strawmen division-sowing groupthink-calcifying asset-agents.
I’d rather imagine a world without neither censorship diktats nor vapid inane poorly-veiled reverse-psychology gambits to induce groupthink. Y’know, free speech, and no terrorism. … Terrorism, y’know, the application of terror for political gain. Like alluding to some scary slippery slope dystopian scenario to get people to conform to your political agenda. No matter how ineptly done, ~ or even, not inept, and works exactly as intended, strengthening the in-group’s shared dogma and fear of the other, and keeping the other, the out-group, contemptuous of the sins of the in-group, which only furthers the division, eases the conquer, playing group vs group… while the crooks continue to run a muck. This is no time for falling for pitchforks vs torches. No time for falling for the divisive scams from such scammers and agents.
“conservative content”.
Conserve what?
Is a question more can benefit from asking any time anyone tries to induce you to their groupthink with this enticing pitcherplant of a Rorschach test.
Then maybe fewer would fall for it.
On the one hand, sure. On the other hand, this is exactly what AdmiralPatrick had in his mind.
No, AdmiralPatrick imagined a world where no one hears anyone say genocide is bad or trans people exist.
Like all centrists.
Then lets just censor thought terminating cliche, which makes up most of the conservative thought, and also stop billionaires funding chuds.
I know that’s a joke, and it’s funny… but I’m concerned for those for whom this reads straight, take it as a good idea, and don’t realise they’re opposaming, oblivious to the non-censoring possibilities and paradigms, not realising, as TORF said “If they censor your opponents, then they censor you next”, the broader precedent set…
Oh for more good ideas to help dispell the bad ideas. … Maybe clearing the chemical lobotomy from the food supply would help. If we can accomplish that, past the crooks with their incentives to keep that in place… … then maybe there’d be less of the compounding stupid that threatens us all.
