“senior Democrats” would rather Trump than a progressive. At least Trump is good for their stocks.
These fuckers insider trade and make money no matter which way the market goes. This isn’t it, they just know that no matter who wins the rich will continue to run the country so it doesn’t really matter to them. The only threat to the wealthy ruling class is the left (not liberals, the actual left)
There are several HUGE ‘left’ spaces on Lemmy.
None of them have any advice, none of them are ‘leading the charge’ of reforming the USA.
the only thing I’ve seen them bring to the table is an elevated nose, blind judgement based on delusion, and calls for more violence. Those aren’t the traits of a movement I can support
I actually did try to run for a local election and have tried to organize unions before.
Neither went very well and for the local office position I actually tried to work with a “progressive” election fund who never wanted to talk politics but just money. Literally told me I was too poor to run and that my dollars would be better spent with them finding better candidates.
It’s a sham not exactly possible to break through without a lot of luck and momentum. They have said age makes you more conservative but it seems to actually just be money and wealth and accumulation of things makes you so.
I think the reason you don’t see more is the “left” is mostly just people poor and tired. The social left liberals above us just like to use our backing while supporting an easier to work with marginalized group that looks better and is easier than solving wealth inequality flavor of the month.
It’s tiring you know?
I tried to run as well… Didn’t have any progressive groups around, but the state Dem party doesn’t help anyone except top of the ticket. They didn’t mind asking me to drop off flyers for their candidates though.
I’ve also tried to organize a union 3 times in 3 different jobs, and the problem there is just everyone not wanting to do anything extra if it’s in any way work related… Even if it’s to make their lives better… But I do get that the reason for that is mostly that they’re already overworked and underpaid, so they don’t feel like they have the time or energy.
Want to start something for real?
I do real shit in real spaces.
This website is for shitposts and memes lmao. Collect yourself, coward
Are there Liberal spaces on Lemmy where liberals accomplish anything? That shit happens in the real world dawg.
Organize in your local community like leftists in the real world do
Lol @ dawg
So relatable.
Go be mad people different than you exist 🤷
Imagine thinking this is worth secreting out of your brain 11 days later.
It’s rough having responsibilities IRL. Can’t always be in front of a keyboard.
yes I’m glad you made the time for that great contribution
When we say “politicians who don’t give a shit about you”, does that include 80+ year old men who are willing to throw our democracy away as long as they do their “goodest job”? All because they are addicted to power and can’t imagine a world where someone is more electable than they are, despite overwhelming statistical evidence to the contrary?
And when we say “career politicians”, does that include people that were elected to the Senate 60 years ago when they were in their 20s?
It’s #Joever. Time to accept it and move on. Bending over backwards to defend him doesn’t make you a hero, it makes you a useful idiot.
I dont get why americans just suddenly are so much against Biden. Yes he is old. We knew that for a while. He has done quite well still. Yes he didnt have much voice during the debate and wasnt in good form. He still did better than Trump because at least Biden didnt constantly lie.
Just posting cringe hashtags and giving up will lead to the fascist being in power.
make space for true leadership that refuses to resign themselves to fascism
They will, however, resign themselves to genocide.
Okay, so you are talking Israel here.
You’re right the Israeli government is committing genocide.
So lets go ahead and condemn it. Hells no, lets send in a peace keeping force that pushes the Israeli army out of Gaza altogether and and sets up a nonfly zone and a neutral zone between Israel and Palestine.
First off, that’s something that historically is a very very bad idea. The US has done this before and it ALL went to shit. You need local governments to do this, but they all have their hands in Gaza as well, many are all too happy to see this happening as it strengthens their position, fuck the Palestinians, who gives a shit.
Okay, so you start forcing the local governments to do this peace army thing. How? Its not their issue, you can’t force them, or can you? You can bully them into submission, which will turn allies into not so very allies. This will cost you all your goodwill and soft power, but who cares, were doing the right thing ™ here, right?
Next up, the Israel government will be pissed. Very pissed. They’ll throw it on antisemitism. Bullshit, of course, but they’ve been doing that quite successfully for decades, so no reason to say this won’t work this time. You will lose the Jewish vote in the US, you will lose the votes of those that agree with the dumb antisemitism thing.
This is a LOT of lost votes, and elections always being as close as they are, you WILL lose the election. Trump wins, he will send in US troops to help slaughter Palestinians, as he has promised before, and he will help to eradicate them. Will mass murder and genocide be a problem for him? Nah, the Supreme Court already decided the president is immune and pretty much King. Protests in the streets will be answered with mass arrests or hell, why not, even bullets because Trump can do whatever the fuxk he wants.
See a picture forming here?
It. Is. Not. That. Easy.
Sure, I’m just writing down a possible scenario, call it a dumb fantasy if you will, but it makes the point: The US meddling in Middle Eastern affairs has NEVER worked out well for any of the countries there. Also, you start even so much as criticizing Israel and you can lose critical votes, which you -now more than ever- will need to not get your dictator wannabe elected.
All this “Biden likes genocides!” is screaming from 15 year olds that can’t see beyond their own nose.
Biden could stop Netanyahu with a phone call.
Israel relies on the US to veto any United Nations action against Israel. Netanyahu couldn’t do what he’s doing if he didn’t know he has Biden’s support
And Netanyahu can stop Biden from being elected with a phone call, getting a much friendlier Trump in office who will gladly help him to once and for all fix the Palestinian problem.
Whata your point?
Or we could, you know, stop giving the money and weapons to commit genocide?
Please explain to me how giving trillions of dollars in military aid to Israel does not qualify as “US meddling in the Middle East”
Still the same issue, it. Is. Not. That. Easy.
If it were that easy, peace would have been had a long time ago.
And again: like it or not, you HAVE tomvotr democrat. If you don’t, Trump will be in charge and boy, if you thought they have it bad now, wait until he’s in. He already advocates for a full eradication of the Palestinians do you doubt him?
You know, lesser of two evils. Go full fuck Democrats after the election, protest, blockades if you have to, but now now plz…
If the contest is so close that keeping Trump out of office really depends on me, then Biden already lost.
Seems like a very risky time for the DNC to try playing it safe.
if it depends on me
Yeah who else do you think it depends on? If everyone has your attitude then its no wonder that such a relatively small group like Republicans manage to win so many elections. They. Just. Vote.
Meanwhile the likes of you are tweedling their thumbs saying “my vote won’t matter anyway”
EVERY VOTE COUNTS, THAT IS THE POINT!
Yeah who else do you think it depends on?
The people in swing states who are expected to elect Trump.
Meanwhile the likes of you are tweedling their thumbs saying “my vote won’t matter anyway”
I can prove it mathematically if you want.
EVERY VOTE COUNTS, THAT IS THE POINT!
No, that’s the propaganda.
Here in reality, only some votes matter.
Then if you think it doesn’t make a difference, vote anyway, as you got nothing to lose.
And sure, prove it mathematically. I just finished watching some idiot “proving” that 1*1=2 or something painfully stupid like that, I can’t wait to see what you come up with
Trump is worse for Palestine so Biden is still the better option.
This is just an anecdote but word came down from the c suite today to start getting all our ducks in a row and make plans for huge tariff increases next year.
I work in a fairly liberal leaning industry too. The bosses see the writing on the wall for Biden. The last time this happened we upped our prices on everything regardless of country of origin. Market segmentation and pricing strategy is a thing and this will affect prices for all goods.
“Hey, there’s a realistic possibility we’re going to have to deal with Trump winning and increased tariffs. We obviously don’t know if it will happen or not, but let’s make sure we’re prepared.”
Yeah, Trump could win the election … so could Biden. That’s less of a forecast and more “competent business leadership having a disaster plan.”
As soon as I saw the picture, I felt like we were doomed. I’m still not voting for Trump, but that assassination attempt and the picture are, unfortunately, sometimes all that’s needed to sway an American voter.
Like, he’s a rapist, convicted felon, bad bsuines man, mentally unwell, fascist, and a general boob, but they’ll look at that picture of him, fist up, blood on his ear, people trying to get him to get down, and then look at old man Joe and make their decision from there. If Biden truly cared about this country, he would step down. He’s been vice president and now actual president, but his performance this round has been terrible and he needs to face the reality of that instead of pushing forward for the sake of his ego.
Edit: Just adding this since people think I’m saying all of Biden’s presidency was poor. I talking about his debate/campaign performance.
Joe Biden = maybe less energy to do MORE GOOD things (but actually a presidency isn’t a single person, it’s an administration full of good people that do important work, regardless of how Joe feels on a given day…
don trump = maybe more (adderall and coke-fueled SNIFF) energy, but only used to do MORE BAD things.
So much of this country is so surface and easily frightened.
The choice is between a narcissistic buffoon who will do whatever his handlers want him to so long as he gets to look important and powerful playing along or someone who belongs in a nursing home rather than the White House that people raged about being called a “well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory” months ago because they thought it was an unreasonable because his admin was doing such a good job at damage control.
This isnt a Mr. Universe contest. Theres more important things than physical fitness and debate skills.
Theres more important things than physical fitness and debate skills.
Sure, sure. That doesn’t change that we’ve got a choice between an easily manipulable narcissist owned by proto-fascists and Russia and a case of elder abuse who at this point is lucky if he can string three coherent sentences without a teleprompter, or sometimes even with one.
Obviously we should all vote for the case of elder abuse, but the fact that this is the choice that we have is the core problem.
And yes, I needed to make reference to people being outraged at Biden being described as a “well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory” because holy shit were people angry at that characterization and holy shit would most of them be happy if that was the worst we could say about his mental acuity now.
Its all a crap shoot to me. None of us has the predictive powers we profess. Biden is just as likely to win/lose as Kamala is, as is Bernie, and so on.
Theres different reasons for each person, but noone knows really what’s best. I’m still of the opinion that Trump has gone way too far and there will be so many people coming out to vote against him, that he’s essentially running against himself.
But thats just my theory, based on pretty much a feeling.
Biden is just as likely to win/lose as Kamala is, as is Bernie, and so on.
Thanks to ballot access deadlines in several key states, this just isn’t the case. It’s Biden or Trump unless one of them dies in the meantime. If you tried to field Kamala as a replacement against a living Biden, you’d end up with a number of electors under faithless elector laws required to vote for Biden despite him having stepped down to make way for Kamala, possibly enough to trigger a one vote per state decision.
I’m still of the opinion that Trump has gone way too far and there will be so many people coming out to vote against him, that he’s essentially running against himself.
You aren’t wrong about him essentially running against himself. It’s entirely about whether or not people who would vote against Trump actually go out and vote for Biden (or his replacement should he die) in sufficient numbers.
But it’s nearly always the GOP running against themselves, turnout is basically what decides US presidential elections. It’s just writ lager with Trump.
Everyone I know is already voting against trump, I can’t do much else than hope my faith in there being enough decent people is not misfounded.
I’m sure theres still a few more people trump could offend before the election is here though. I though his behavior during and after the assassination attempt to be awful, maybe someone else does too and they feel that much firmer in voting against him.
The country is so big though, I know my own anecdotes only go so far.
I haven’t heard about this inability to get the electors to vote for a different candidate even if hr steps down though, do you have more information on that?
if you sit at the table with fascists, and don’t care whether or not they get to power, you are fascist too.
Democrats have always been fascist. Just look at their rhetoric about how “only they can save the country” (even though they’ve never done shit about shit even when they had a trifecta)
I get the sentiment, and I would vote for AOC if I were in New York, but yeah… this election feels like a foregone conclusion.
Inb4: “A lot can happen in four months, you don’t know for sure.” blah blah blah
I don’t live in the USA but people in our media say it too.
I don’t understand it though: are there people that voted for Biden last time that will now vote for Trump, even though he is now a convicted felon, and tried to steal the election?
Or is it just that everyone thinks that people won’t come out to vote for Biden?
Can you help me understand?
Primarily the second. Biden barely won some key swing states (look up the Electoral College and all the bs that brings into US elections) in an election with higher turnout than any in the past century, 4 years of Trumps general fuckery in the immediate past, and an ongoing pandemic. (tbf, the pandemic should have been in Trump’s favor, but he’s Trump, so…yeah)
Public memory is short, and along with very recent stumbles and valid criticisms of certain positions of his, Biden is coming into this election very much on the back foot, even among his base, while Trump is going strong as ever. He needs every vote he can get and he’s not getting anywhere near the support he had in 2020. It’s looking pretty dour overall.
I’m going to vote, and vote for Biden, but realistically, the democrats have already fumbled this big time.
The debate: honest to fuck, Trump looked composed and almost presidential next to Joe in that debate. I facepalmed in the first thirty seconds and never stopped. Jesus Christ, that was a massacre, and I don’t know how anyone can pretend otherwise.
Biden himself: The debate kind of unsealed the can of questions about Joe’s well being, and you’re just not getting the snakes back in. Every time he goes to prove he’s still Joe from 2020 or 2012, we get Joe from 2024, or even a flash of Joe from the debates. His audio is always fucked because he’s speaking so soft that they have to turn the gain all the way up to pick him up, which means they also grab all kinds of artifact. He walks like an old man refusing to use the walker that his doctor is begging him to use. He keeps having pretty serious gaffes that kind of go beyond what we’ve come to expect from Joe. This just isn’t going away, especially because every attempt to clean it up makes it worse. So, they’re going to rely on the HRC 16 strategy of just yelling “Just shut the fuck up and vote, or we’re going to get Hitler!”
Only: Now they’re afraid to use the one trick this donkey seems to know anymore. The democrats got lazy, being able to use the threat of fascism as a fundraising and outreach tool. The problem is that we’re talking about armed Americans here, and you convince the right ones that the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and, well… [Gestures]. So, now, the democrats have spent eight years telling us how Trump is Hitler (and make no mistake about it, he is a fascist) and building their platform around being the not fascists, and now that whole rug has gotten yanked out from under them because if they keep using that rhetoric, it’s going to get someone killed. So, which is it? Trump is a serious threat of fascism and must be stopped to save the Republic, or it’s not actually that bad and it’s okay as long as Joe feels he tried his best?
Oh, and the assassination attempt gave Trump a couple of big Ws. First, that fucking picture. Show me a picture of Joe that’s that cool that isn’t just a meme; you can’t. Second, instead of hustling away immediately, shit ass decided to have a moment of showmanship and pump his fist and yell “fight!” I hate that Donald is a good showman, but he is, and denying it won’t change it.
So let’s review, shall we?
Joe has: a really very just okay first time if you forgive the little genocide detail. And probably Parkinson’s or sundowner’s or something. He also has no real strategy left now that pointing out that the fascists are fascist leads to an unacceptable risk of political violence.
Trump has: a terrible awful first term that was a whole COVID ago, a badass picture, a badass moment, the ability to mostly kinda sorta speak in full sentences at a good volume, not bad reaction time tbh, and a bunch of newly sympathetic news coverage, donors, and people ready to join up with the fascists supporting him.
You might read all this and say “fuckin Trump supporter”, and, I mean, good for you, I guess. I’m going to vote for Biden or whoever isn’t Trump on November, but I’m also trying to be realistic about the situation we’re in. The democrat establishment have bunglefucked the situation bad, and I have grave concerns about their ability to get their shit in gear by November. May they prove me wrong, I am not excited about Christian fascism.
I hate how people vote based on who has a cooler picture rather than their agenda.
I fucking hate politics.
People didn’t vote for Biden because they supported his agenda. He was the fifth least-popular candidate in 2020, barely ahead of “Mike” Bloomberg.
The DNC promised favors to the other candidates in exchange for dropping out and endorsing Biden, because in their minds it was better to have a brain-dead candidate than risk nominating a socialist.
And now fascism’s here.
I’m going to read this comment to my kids instead of a bedtime story
I can shorten this while maintaining the entire message;
Vote out the career politicians
who don’t really give a shit about youBernie has accomplished more on your behalf than a series of clueless rookies would have.
So that’s one example of a good career politician.
Do you think the good:bad ratio for career politicians is 50:50?
If we eradicated all the career politicians, we would be removing a LOT of bad faith shitheads and yes, a few good ones too.
But we would have the chance to reshape our system to be FUNCTIONAL without nepotism and greed blocking it for a change.
So if I find myself voting for either Bernie or some clueless rookie, which should it be?
Run yourself, you’re a political genius, after all
So then a clueless rookie over Bernie. Your suggestion is that the left unilaterally handicaps itself.
“bUT carEeR POliTiciANS!”
these children are such idiots - and it’s thinking like theirs that gave us Trump.
I’ve spent the last 2 decades campaigning for and voting for positive change for my peers. You can go fuck yourself and your regressive opinions.
No. This nonsense about people who are dedicated at their jobs vs Trump-like idiots who have no idea what they’re doing is just wrong.
What matters is NOT “career” politicians, but good politicians and bad politicians.
For example Bernie is (now) a “career politician” and AOC wasn’t, but probably is now. Both are good and are examples of good politicians.
If you want to whine about how there’s more bad career politicians than good ones, I’ll also remind you that there’s more “career politicians” than not.
In short, it’s a nonsensical delimiter. It’s a thought terminating cliche.
And it’s lazy.
You can vote for and promote positive change without being an idiot on Lemmy about it.
We can disagree without you being a complete fucking scumbag about it.
Or at least, I thought we could.
You’re a disgrace to your peers.
wah wah wah. jeeze you’re a whiny crybaby.
They do realize that they would be the first to go in a fascist coup? The kind Trump’s Project 2025 openly threatens? Right?
In a full blown military coup they would but that’s not the kind of coup Project 2025 threatens. They’ll be one of the last to go. They’ll constantly ask us to donate and vote while doing absolutely nothing to stop it. Controlled opposition.
This is correct. They’ll just be voted out one by one as the polls get more and more corrupt. It will seem like democracy until the bitter end.
Even though Democracy already died 24 years ago when the supreme court gave itself the power to overturn elections.
May I get a source to where he openly threatened, please?
just… read it?
It doesn’t say anything about removing sitting house members. It says a ton of bad shit, no need to add fake stuff on top.
Edit: if someone can show me where it says this, I will happily delete this comment (or maybe I’ll delete it in Terror?)
Fucking vote
