Spending time on Chinese social media has shown me platforms that read exactly like the garbage from the right wing talking heads here on Twitter. Extreme nationalist sentiment is very, very, common. I have seen soooo many memes expressing desire to just wipe out the Philippines, and just repopulate it with mainland Chinese. Memes about their eventual control over Africa, which uses surprisingly western racist stereotypes to portray Africans. So much discussion that mirrors MAGA like behavior, in many ways, but just discussing the greatness of China, instead. So many who, at least claim, to wholeheartedly believe revisionist, extremely idealized, versions of China’s past, often including things that just are not physically possible. There is a lot of open talk about what China is going to do to so many of it’s neighbors when it over takes the US, and NATO recedes from the region. I stopped going on their, because it was just becoming more, and more, X-China. Then my translator stopped using social media there, expect for work, as well, and now I just can’t.
Friends of mine who have spent the past 20+ years living in China are reporting seeing more, and more, of it offline too, when politics was not something Chinese would publicly really talk about, especially to foreigners. However, especially in the past 10 years, they said their open expression of xenophobia, hardline nationalist sentiments, desire to take, and punish other countries, has become almost common in certain social spaces there, and it is worrying them. These people moved to China after studying Chinese language, culture, and history, for many years, including attending Chinese universities. They loved it there. Now they are talking about how it is sounding more, and more, like the rhetoric you get from flag wavers in the US.
So I do not trust China to maintain it’s non-expansionism once NATO not longer controls so many of the waters around them. Nationalism is popular their, and the idea of finally taking revenge for the century of humiliation only grows.
So I do not trust China to maintain it’s non-expansionism once NATO not longer controls so many of the waters around them.
Right. China bad, I forgot. This isn’t sinophobia at all.
Do you have anything else than anecdotal evidence? How much of a percentage of the Chinese social media can you scan for this type of ultra-nationalist and fascist content? There are like 1 billion people there.
decides to become highly imperialist, all of a sudden, I’m not going to care as much. If, all of a sudden, China starts invading a bunch of its neighbors, then that’s a huge d
China is a country which throw ethnic minorities into concentration camps and executes political prisoners. Workers are exploited to the point where they throw themselves off the roofs of factories. It’s an entire society where the only way you can advance is by screwing the people below you.
Go down to the “references” section and look at the sources they’re citing. It’s just a bunch of academics quoting each other quoting Adrian Zenz, who is categorically an Austrian Christofascist who has been lying about a genocide in Xinjiang since he first heard of the place in 2016, with a few scattered quotes from ETIC terrorists.
HRW is a privately funded (read: billionaire controlled) organization that is basing its assessment on the same debunked lies from Zenz and the ETIC.
But since that’s obviously too deep for someone who thinks Wikipedia is a valid source, let’s try it this way: the genocide in Gaza is being live streamed daily. Genocide in Sudan and elsewhere invariably produces a refugee crisis. If China is actually doing what Dr Zenz and his CIA handlers claim, where is the actual evidence? Where are the photos, videos, refugees, etc? You’ll notice they always have the same three or four Uyghurs show up to testify, because those are the ones that have CIA handlers and can be relied on to push the right narrative.
Don’t bother coming back with more pureile, vapid repetitions of the same nonsense, I won’t bother coming back to refute it, just treat it as a rhetorical question. Do you genuinely believe China has become so advanced at information control that they’ve managed to pull off the first secret genocide in history? Or is it more likely that Zenz, the CIA, and the ETIC are lying?
While you chew on that, here’s some food for thought:
I think most anarchists do exactly that. The obvious tension is that marxists want to replace one state with another, whereas anarchists would prefer not to swap one yoke for another.
Is there such thing as a Marxarchist? Lol. I read Marx, but don’t believe in swapping one ruler for another, or that one governing body is somehow magically morally above another.
the most common strain of anarchism these days is anarchocommunism, which is by and large a movement that is defined by defiance of all hierarchy and broad agreement with Karl Marx on matters of economics as they apply to hierarchical violence
Why not loathe the existence of every nation state on earth? The worst religion is nationalism, and there is stiff competition.
Way ahead of you
Nice instance name 👍
ML discovers anarchism.
Spending time on Chinese social media has shown me platforms that read exactly like the garbage from the right wing talking heads here on Twitter. Extreme nationalist sentiment is very, very, common. I have seen soooo many memes expressing desire to just wipe out the Philippines, and just repopulate it with mainland Chinese. Memes about their eventual control over Africa, which uses surprisingly western racist stereotypes to portray Africans. So much discussion that mirrors MAGA like behavior, in many ways, but just discussing the greatness of China, instead. So many who, at least claim, to wholeheartedly believe revisionist, extremely idealized, versions of China’s past, often including things that just are not physically possible. There is a lot of open talk about what China is going to do to so many of it’s neighbors when it over takes the US, and NATO recedes from the region. I stopped going on their, because it was just becoming more, and more, X-China. Then my translator stopped using social media there, expect for work, as well, and now I just can’t.
Friends of mine who have spent the past 20+ years living in China are reporting seeing more, and more, of it offline too, when politics was not something Chinese would publicly really talk about, especially to foreigners. However, especially in the past 10 years, they said their open expression of xenophobia, hardline nationalist sentiments, desire to take, and punish other countries, has become almost common in certain social spaces there, and it is worrying them. These people moved to China after studying Chinese language, culture, and history, for many years, including attending Chinese universities. They loved it there. Now they are talking about how it is sounding more, and more, like the rhetoric you get from flag wavers in the US.
So I do not trust China to maintain it’s non-expansionism once NATO not longer controls so many of the waters around them. Nationalism is popular their, and the idea of finally taking revenge for the century of humiliation only grows.
It is so annoying to hear people prop up China or Russia and North Korea as these moral islands. There is no moral outpost in the world.
Right. China bad, I forgot. This isn’t sinophobia at all.
Do you have anything else than anecdotal evidence? How much of a percentage of the Chinese social media can you scan for this type of ultra-nationalist and fascist content? There are like 1 billion people there.
China is a country which throw ethnic minorities into concentration camps and executes political prisoners. Workers are exploited to the point where they throw themselves off the roofs of factories. It’s an entire society where the only way you can advance is by screwing the people below you.
So yeah, China is bad.
So you think the unhinged ramblings of an Austrian Christofascist have some kind of merit? That’s all I’m getting from this comment.
You could win an Olympic gold medal with the leap in logic you just made.
Ok, find me a source for that assertion that isn’t
…or his allies in the recognized terrorist group the ETIC or the US State Department.
I’ll wait, knowing that no such source existed the last time I looked in to it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_China
https://www.hrw.org/reports/1994/china1/china_948.htm
I actually thought you were joking at first.
Edit: You understand me criticizing the CCP for human rights abuses does not automatically make me a Nazi, correct?
Lol. Wikipedia? Now i know you must be joking.
Go down to the “references” section and look at the sources they’re citing. It’s just a bunch of academics quoting each other quoting Adrian Zenz, who is categorically an Austrian Christofascist who has been lying about a genocide in Xinjiang since he first heard of the place in 2016, with a few scattered quotes from ETIC terrorists.
HRW is a privately funded (read: billionaire controlled) organization that is basing its assessment on the same debunked lies from Zenz and the ETIC.
But since that’s obviously too deep for someone who thinks Wikipedia is a valid source, let’s try it this way: the genocide in Gaza is being live streamed daily. Genocide in Sudan and elsewhere invariably produces a refugee crisis. If China is actually doing what Dr Zenz and his CIA handlers claim, where is the actual evidence? Where are the photos, videos, refugees, etc? You’ll notice they always have the same three or four Uyghurs show up to testify, because those are the ones that have CIA handlers and can be relied on to push the right narrative.
Don’t bother coming back with more pureile, vapid repetitions of the same nonsense, I won’t bother coming back to refute it, just treat it as a rhetorical question. Do you genuinely believe China has become so advanced at information control that they’ve managed to pull off the first secret genocide in history? Or is it more likely that Zenz, the CIA, and the ETIC are lying?
While you chew on that, here’s some food for thought:
Source: YouTube https://share.google/SKRcPUNM8oeGkFaO7
Edit: no, I don’t think you’re a Nazi, but I think you’re exactly the kind of Liberal that Nazis love to have giving them cover.
“It is known”
I think most anarchists do exactly that. The obvious tension is that marxists want to replace one state with another, whereas anarchists would prefer not to swap one yoke for another.
Is there such thing as a Marxarchist? Lol. I read Marx, but don’t believe in swapping one ruler for another, or that one governing body is somehow magically morally above another.
Marxxxxanarchisting.
the most common strain of anarchism these days is anarchocommunism, which is by and large a movement that is defined by defiance of all hierarchy and broad agreement with Karl Marx on matters of economics as they apply to hierarchical violence
There is anarcho-Communism but Marx’s philosophy is very state-centric, even if it does ultimately oppose the existence of a state.
If you’ve read Marx, I’d suggest reading the anarchist criticisms of him by Kropotkin, Proudhon, and Bakunin.
I’m not well-versed on those yet, so definitely piquing my interest. Thanks!
Conquest of Bread by Kropotkin is an absolute must read.
I actually started reading this a while back. This is a good reminder to go back to it.
Closest thing that comes to mind is autonomism
They’re after my stuff?!
I do!