and take the economy with it…
Yeah like the last umpteen times this has happened in my lifetime. We live in a society of greed, who knew it would be so unstable?
But this hype is real. Promise! Really real! Or the next one!
See entry level people believe it’s fundamentals. Smarter people understand that it’s reading people and knowing when they’re dumb enough to invest and knowing when to bail before they wise up. So if you think about it in those respects, it is indeed an honest to goodness “real” thing. People are really being ripped off by con-artist.
But yeah, the days of the 1890s to 1930s of structured investment, measured risk, and mitigation of the unforeseen, those days are dead. There aren’t market fundamentals outside of being able to identify rubes.
If that’s the thing that kills the economy, the economy deserves to be killed
Which economy? The billionaire economy of the normies economy?
First one, then the other because it’s only fair
ah, because the billionaires are going to suck the blood from the regular economy like a vampire to recover
Recover? No they buy low and double their take (or 100x or whatever the ratio is at this point).
We’re doing trillionaires now don’t forget. Even though Elon might not be anymore, there will be others unless we get our act together.
We will follow the billionaires into it economic hell. In solidarity of course.
Fuck, I wish we had a choice in this.
We could always make them feel like life is hell and death would be welcome, especially considering that they’re doing it to us., and they. Do. Not. Care.
They can fuck all our pensions up for good and starve us. That’s what it took to start the French Revolution, this time it’s gonna be global though.
For normal people it will just mean some inflation increase and interest rates increase
Nothing we havent seen in the past few years
…you don’t remember 2008, do you? Mass layoffs, small businesses closing in droves, difficulty getting loans, new grads unable to get adequate jobs for years (half the millennial cohort is still behind due to it)
No our federal government will spend billions to bail out whatever AI companies are favored by trump this week.
They prepare the too big to fail speech I think
Yeah, like we haven’t been through multiple “generational” recessions.
At this point I feel like I’ve spent more time alive during recessions than not, so what’s one more for the pile - especially if it means getting to watch the AI bros go bankrupt.
Saddle up, sea biscuit
It has always been either the economy crashing because the AI bubble pops, or the economy crashes because the bubble didn’t pop due to AI successfully replacing enormous numbers of workers.
Or the economy crashes by AI replacing everyone and doing an absolute terrible job, causing stuff like supply chain collapse and communication/power outages.
I have yet to see someone explain how this whole thing actually works out. Just a dozen different scenarios that turn out terrible for almost everyone. The only scenario that works out is if a handful of people like Altman absolutely rule the world, become de facto dictators as they are the ones that control the few AI companies that run everything. And by work out, I mean it works out for that handful of people. For the rest of the world it’s probably just about the worst case scenario. But you just know it’s the scenario scammy Altman is hoping for.
It’s not AI it’s UBI. AI is going to happen. What was important was an orderly transition to UBI.
AI is going to happen.
Oh? So there are hard numbers showing a positive ROI now?
Frankly, it looks like nobody making decisions is doing that based on numbers anymore, and if that’s a case, it is definitely happening based on vibes.
Or not, if something new and shiny captures their attention before that.
That goalpost will soon switch to “well, this wasn’t the real ai anyway”
That was always the real goalpost. Any claims otherwise were just fraudulent marketing
These LLMs are not the type of AI that’s going to do the things they claim AI can do.
Yeah, when will people catch up on how they actually work (I’d put a “lol” here if it wasn’t so sad).
UBI won’t work without LVT
What’s LVT?
Let the dominoes fall.
The stability of our economy depends on them quickly changing course.
Oh. Well.
It would be so funny that the economy crashes, making poor people poorer and rich people richer!
Because that is what happened in the past few crashes. So I’m not entirely sure when and where I should start laughing about this
in the past the rich got richer because the poor didn’t understand who to blame.
sentiment towards the wealthy these days is far more volatile than it was in the 1930s.
And it will just happen again. If you think the poor will rise up or something like that, then I have a bridge to sell you.
Do not underestimate the US propaganda apparatus
at this point I couldn’t care less if they do or not. humanity is fucked. we’re in a downward spiral heading for the poop chute.
And because we bailed out the rich.
Not could. It’s a mathematical certainty that it will. Barring a breakthrough miracle – fat chance.
It really feels like the options are:
- Bubble bursts because it requires more money than the entire global economy not too at this point.
- Total regulatory capture and we just somehow keep it going forever to the detriment and gradual decay of literally everything else.
One day we shall reclaim the sullied em dash for ourselves once and for all!
An AI breakthrough has nothing to do with LLMs, it’s like saying the auto industry will collapse except if there is an AI breakthrough that saves it.
That’s what a breakthrough means. But obviously all the funding is burned up in more DCs with incremental iteration on the same design. So the bubble has to pop for real innovation. But I think this coming AI winter will be permanent, as things are very visibly falling apart.
Well yeah, but my statement is true anyways IMO. Deep neural networks are unchanged since the eighties I guess, and again IMO it’s not they who need/can have a breakthrough, doubly especially since nobody seems to be working on anything else than “bigger datasets” and profiling and such.
That’s the point. AI was never meant to succeed. It’s a ransom. They are willing to kill the hostages so to speak.
I think that’s kind of their idea. Be unsustainable and unprofitable, yet push to be on everything so the Goverment will bail them out.
The current everything bubble is too big to be bailed out. It will take down with it everything. Including the value of currency.
If this one bursting ends the USD status as Reserve Currency, that would be great.
Painful, but in the mid and long term great.
Yeah, Same here honestly
That’s why I bought gold and silver
I bet they’re just running as fast as they can, not caring about which direction as long as they are “ahead”.
Yeah wow hey maybe you should have fucking listened to everyone who’s been saying that for goddamn YEARS.
I wonder if we will be able to get GPUs and RAM for reasonable prices afterwards.
I wonder if we’ll be able to get food at reasonable prices afterwards
Asking the real questions…
Eh. I know how to hunt. I don’t know how to manufacture GPUs and RAM.
Too big to fail…again…
The 2008 bailout happened because it was the banking sector that was exposed. If the consumer banks fail, everybody’s accounts go up in flames.
Part of getting that bailout was that the banks had to restructure to insulate commercial banking from investment banking. Supposedly the investment arm can now get taken out, and the damage to the commercial arm is limited. I’ll believe that when I see it. The big question at the moment is “how exposed are the banks?”.
Oracle, Nvidia, Microsoft, OpenAI, Anthropic are all massively exposed. Nvidia and Microsoft might be big enough for a decimated version of themselves to come out the other side. Everyone else is going to the wall. No need to bail them out though. That’s a contained explosion.
If the bank are making loans of hundreds of billions thinking they’re sure fire money makers, but actually they’re piles of shit, then it’s 2008 again. That’s when we see if they really protected the commercial arms of their banks.
Well, since all new protections from 2008 have already been shredded, what would you think?
If that’s true in the US, then god help you. I know they still exist in the UK.
I don’t have any money. Crash away. Fuck it.
Yeah, some of us don’t have much money to begin with lol
Same with the GFC, 2007. I was broke, and did not even notice.
I’ve put all my money in pogs so I should be ok.
Uhh, bottle caps are the future.
Nuka-cola is hard to come by here tho.
I’ve wondered … are the bottlecaps radioactive?
How does that work out when you have a pocketful next to your nuts?You joke, but you can buy it. Jones Soda makes it. That said, it’s not worth buying except to keep the bottles as collectibles.
In-game, no they aren’t radioactive. Most of the wasteland somehow isn’t radioactive enough to set off a gieger counter. Yet a lot of the fresh meat and produce are radioactive. Doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me.
Not played those games but to be fair in a nuclear wasteland you would expect fresh meat and vegetables to be more radioactive than the general environment. Animals and plants can accumulate radioactive fallout, if it’s diffuse in the soil it can be more concentrated in whatever lives off that soil. Radioactive contamination often consists of caesium-137 which behaves like potassium, and strontium-90 which behaves like calcium, so you’re getting screwed by conventional biochemistry as much as nuclear physics.
This is a concern in the Chernobyl exclusion zone even now, there’s mushrooms and other forage that must be avoided for this reason.
I quit drinking soda years ago as I got older and needed to cut shit that was making me fat.
I will (like every other year) occasionally have a Mountain Dew or a Sprite.
Soda is lovely stuff, but its definitely radioactive.
I’d try slurm. Once. Ain’t putting the bottlecap next to my nuts tho.
You can have sex without worry!
About as radioactive as your pants.
