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Yikes, big dog.

They also said that exit wounds can have benefits, though they didn’t get into it nearly enough. I’m imagining that two wounds, especially on opposite side of a person, are going to be a lot harder to deal with and the increase blood loss potential while also distracting anyone trying to help them has a lot of benefits.

Also I say benefits, but yuck.

Open-eneded because in comparison to something like a Warlock you’re simply handed a guy who hits real good and in comparison to a ranger there are no weapon specific stereotypes. You can be pretty much anything you want and there isn’t much distraction in the flavour text, even. Now, I personally don’t pay much heed to flavour text and roleplay things however the hell I want but I do know a lot of people get bogged down by the idea that rogues need to be theives and paladins need to be good and that 95% of the community still doesn’t know what “lawful” means and they should really change the word to “principled” to square that away.

The reason I said “stricter framework” was in response your comment where it seemed as though you were saying that the 5e fighter required creativity to make it fun and I assumed that meant that what you wanted was for other systems to lay things out for you a little more. I assumed that because nothing I was suggesting required building your own class and mechanics, it was all just fairly high-level rules found in the books(minus the Eldritch Knight, I thought I’d seen it elsewhere).

Oddly enough, though, the fighter in PF2e, I would imagine, requires much more thinking since much of its power appears to come from feats that you need to choose at every level. I love that idea, and technically you can do a similar thing in 5e with the optional feat rule, but I’m struggling to figure out where you’re coming from saying that it’s easier or that dedications are safe from bad choices. I don’t find it as daunting as an experienced player but it’s certainly a lot more opportunity to accidentally build poorly. Also 5e multiclassing really is not that difficult, though there are small details that I think should be ironed out(maybe there were in 2024, I don’t know at this moment).

End of the day, 5e Fighter may be a bit of a blank slate but that’s precisely why I love them. They aren’t at all boring if you bring your creativity and roleplay skills to them and that also depends on what kind of game you want to play. I also play a Warlock now that I’ve made fairly unique and love the amount I can do with him so it’s not like I’m scared of classes with more complexity to offer, either, I just see the value in all of them and play to their strengths and weaknesses appropriately.

I’m aware of what I said, but the other point I made is that fighters are not the boring easy class everyone makes them out to be. They are very open-ended and that can be a lot for people but it’s not a sign that they’re bad. They also have the echo knight and eldritch knight subclasses if you want a little help/inspiration/spice built into the class itself. I have an echo knight minotaur I played for a bit who was great fun to play in combat.

If we’re talking about complexity being the issue then you can back right the heck up with that “just play Pathfinder” nonsense. I really want to try PF2e, actually, but to act like it’s simpler than a 5e multiclass is something you must surely know is not going to fly. I made a PF1e barbarian once and the amount of choices I had to make as an experience 5e player was within my skill level but for your hypothetical new player it would be far more daunting a task.

Also “without needing to get creative” is such a tell. It’s really not that complicated, and it’s not 5e’s fault that someone might need a stricter framework. You’re not a worse person for it, necessarily, but the whining about it sure isn’t a good look.

How many times you gunna say “you clearly don’t understand” before you just admit that you don’t have the communication skills to talk about it with anyone who doesn’t have intimate knowledge about your specific project and how your soecific company does, or evidently doesn’t, function? Sorry I made you feel bad about yourself by asking questions you couldn’t answer.

Look, you don’t need to admit it to me, this exchange has been heated enough and I get that, but for the love of god please be better the next time you find yourself in a similar situation.

And yet they still have lots of features in their subclasses, work great with quick multiclass options, and can just, ya know, wield a magic weapon.

My battlemaster fighter had a few levels in Battlesmith artificers and I had sooo many things I could do even though the only spells I really ever cast were Shield and Arcane Weapon. I had my steel defender doing all kinds of fun stuff, and even though being ranged took some flavour out I was still able to be creative. It was also awesome to have such a clean base to build my roleplay on top of and by the end he was the least background-heavy character yet still had tonnes of depth and character.

The only “issue” with them is that the burden of creativity lies much more heavily on the player and it’s more difficult to rest on cheap stereotypes. I’m playing a warlock now, the plot class, and I still took it several steps further all on my own because I can. The pathfinder fighter looks interesting, for sure, but come now.

Bruh, I can’t with you lol. Or your dogshit company, either, which apparently has such poor data management that its original plan was to get sales people to ask the fucking developpers to get marketting information for them. Embarrassing.

I love how there’s no possible way for anything to work except for your specific solution and that’s it. Everything else is throwing your hands up in the air and getting mad at people.

My. Guy.

• The copilot agent has access to at least a read only part of the database, right? And this means that it is possible for something to have access to the database, right?
• It generates reports for them using this access to the database, right?
• It knows what each piece of information means because each piece of information comes with some kind of identifier so nothing falls through the cracks, right?
• “Unless a report exists” exactly, so how would that report have been made pre-copilot? This has been my question the entire time. What were people doing in 2018, for example?

What is stopping you from making an interface that a human being can use instead of forcing them to go through a copilot agent? I’m assuming that the database is not a clumsily assorted stack of PDF reports or you would have said something by now(right?). All data would have some way of identifying it(sale instance was for X product in Y location for Z amount at [time], for example) and if you can integrate co-pilot than surely you can integrate something to handle that information, right?

Before the copilot agent, there was no system whatsoever for anyone to make reports because no one had access to the database? So they just hucked information into it and it was lost to time? What if an auditor came through and needed to see things? Did you just say “sorry, no one has access to the database and you’re going to have to wait until LLMs exist and FreedomAdvocate integrates one into the database”?

Look, dude, I’m ok with not understanding something but you haven’t given me any indication that what I’m asking for wouldn’t work. All you’ve said is “no that won’t work” and the most in-depth thing I’ve gotten is that “there are a lot of places to find the info” but never really elaborated on why that’s a significant problem or why co-pilot can handle it so vastly differently(and without missing anything).

Except you obviously did not make your point. In fact, you made the opposite of your point.

You’re going to need to figure out why your language sucks because saying that marketting doesn’t have access to the database enough to filter through information manually but does have access enough to get that information through an LLM is just about the dumbest thing I’ve heard of. They either have access or they don’t, which is it? How come they can only view the information through a fucking chatbot?

And for the love all that is good and holy HOW THE FUCK WAS ANYTHING BEING DONE BEFORE THE AI AGENT?! ANSWER THE VERY SIMPLE QUESTION!

“My example was perfect” then why was it so pathetically simple? You’re trying to show how AI will solve complex issues and you present something that a toddler could sort through. Maybe your database is just organized like dogshit or maybe you have a point but lack any kind of communication skills to the point where you don’t understand that I don’t know the specifics of how your company works/struggles to function.

And for the love of god can you put even the slightest fraction of the effort you’re putting into being an asshole to answer my questions that I’ve asked repeatedly?! How were people handling this data since before your little LLM tool?

Hey dude, I was responding to your incredibly shitty examples. You give me no information and blame for not having information well, that’s a you problem. But I suppose if you understood that concept you’d also understand the problems I’m talking about.

Now, again, if the AI can have access to all that information and identify it correctly then why is it impossible to do what I’m asking? It has to be able to tell the difference somehow, right? And with LLMs being known to have hallucinations and serious misunderstandings it seems rather ridiculous to rely on it for something that you say is so complex that a person cannot do it. You also haven’t answered me, I don’t think, on the topic of what people were doing before the LLM.

There are a lot of key elements you’re dodging here and before you start talking shit maybe start addressing them.

Unless you have something specific, and you should let your DM know ahead of time, for wisdom rolls specifically blind rolls can be pretty fun.

That said, if you roll a nat1 and you DM says someone is trustworthy then that also doesn’t mean they’re lying, so it’s not a huge deal.

You literally told you built something which would allow an LLM to access the data. In order to be reliable enough the data would have to be appropriately sorted already and there would need to be an interface which the LLMs could use. So you built all this stuff to let the LLM thing work and now you’re looking at me stupid like building an extreme simple filter is some sorta crazy thing and we need a product to do it.

What the hell were people doing before you built your little chatbot? Just neatly sorting information into a black box and throwing into the ocean?

So for a clock and picture frame you’re not gunna believe this but…

And for a weather forecast I mean just make a widget on your phone’s home screen, it’ll be fine. The techification of every damn fucking thing we have is ridiculous and we so happily dive into filling our lives with nonsense just to have a theoretical 1% improvement in efficiency that we don’t even need.

I’m not saying we need to throw out all technology but we also don’t need to jam modern tech into every single aspect of our lives.

Steve Jobs, for all his other problems, knew how to run a company and held to the idea that they needed to make good products. He kept the prices fairly low for what they were, and they even decreased over time for many of their products. He wouldn’t allow unfinished products to be released which is a big reason why I always laughed at Android people who claimed “first” with their buggy, shitty versions of the reliable thing Apple made a couple years later.

But then for some reason he let Tim Cook, who had been an idiot at Apple for a long time and Job’s knew it, take over. Since then prices have sky-rocketed and the company has started releasing stuff that just isn’t up to the standards they held in the past. He even took power away from the guy who had come up with Apple’s iconic aesthetic.

Whether or not people want to admit, Apple made excellent products and the customers aren’t nearly as stupid as people want to believe. So when shit like this happens we understandably get pissed because, surprise, many of us actually have been paying attention.