Here’s a new clearer statement to express my thoughts on the matter.

Contrails are visible and normal and fine. I probably don’t fully understand the science behind them, but I realize what we are seeing is water vapor.

Chemtrails are also real though. They are invisible to the naked eye and are directly contributing to global warming as well as some health concerns that are hard to quantify. They are not some conspiracy to control or disable the masses. The exhaust of cars and especially planes leave a trail of harmful chemicals behind them. The reason for this is because we care more about convenience and money than we do about the ecosystem we live in.

I personally believe pointing out that dichotomy is more useful than laughing at people who are misinformed.

Just because the contrails are science

I understand that part, doesn’t stop them from containing the plane exhaust which is directly contributing to global warming

Nah, plane exhaust is real and killing the planet. Just because the contrails are science and not doing mind control doesn’t mean they’re not still bad.

Pope killed a baby

Funny and sad

Not dividing the left, just consolidating the right

I would like to do that, but my comments on negative topics definitely produce more discussion. Just like everywhere else, negative is easier than positive.

I used to feel more suicidal. Nowadays I think if I was feeling like I truly wanted to do that, I would want to take an oligarch with me

You’re not wrong but also the only reason this is a real problem is because of American tipping culture

Not trying to simp. Just saying you and I don’t know what’s really going on over there because of how our dear leaders control all the information that comes out.

Cowbee is mostly correct so I’m not going to address everything but there are 2 pieces I want to respond to.

Greed is rewarded in every economy.

That doesn’t seem to be true. Like an economy that doesn’t funnel money into individuals. Or even moneyless economies like Library or Gift. (Though moneyless economies imply we’re achieving actual communism, going beyond socialism)

No, socialist systems like free housing, healthcare, education can exist alongside capitalism. Worker owned systems like cooperatives still operate in a market.

Are you talking about free housing (etc) programs being managed as a cooperative, alongside a commodities market of cooperatives? If yes, that’s not capitalism, that’s socialism. If no, then you must be talking about a welfare state like what’s in Scandinavia, which isn’t socialist.

Kind of relevant to both points, there are a few different schools of socialism so you could see if any make more sense to you.

First, don’t point your finger at capitalism as the problem.

You already lost me

Second, acknowledge & understand greed and how it is inherent in all human nature.

I would rather acknowledge and encourage humans inherent nature to cooperate and grow together.

Third, build systems that minimize the damage done by individual or corporate greed.

Like building an economy that doesn’t inherently reward greed? I wonder what that would look like.

Check against consolidation, monopolization, and short term Wall St like thinking of endless growth.

These things exist because of capitalism

Four, make sure socialist programs exist to support everyone

That’s social welfare. Being socialist means the workers own the means of production

capitalism is not the only way to live, it’s optional

It’s so easy to live in the USA and just not do capitalism /s

the European nations seem to be doing things quite alright

Do you understand that their wealth was pillaged from the global south?

Can you give me a description of what makes socialism bad solely based on how it works (not referencing any country who may have attempted it)?

I can’t look at NK because the world capitalist economy isolated them, so I’m not going to argue about their material conditions. I don’t think anyone is immune to greed, but I think having a system that rewards greed is going to turn it from an aberration to an epidemic.

To your first point, let’s pretend you’re right and look at it in the abstract. What is to be done? Do you want to kill greed? How would you do that?

Capitalism rewards greed, thus perpetuating it and entrenching it. So capitalism is the root of our greed epidemic

this isn’t the only option but it’s recent and relevant

The large majority of resources and facilities are owned by a small minority of wealthy individuals whose only goal is making money. People with more interest and passion in the field in question would continue to innovate as long as they had the resources to do so.

Capitalism stifles innovation

I would love those 2 to have the most expensive trial in history

That’s only true of the too few people that control too much resources

If you’re in the states, new cars are legally required to have a screen for the back up camera.