Tabs are 8 characters, and thus indentations are also 8 characters. There are heretic movements that try to make indentations 4 (or even 2!) characters deep, and that is akin to trying to define the value of PI to be 3.

I am in love with this awsome document; I love its guidelines, and coding conventions.

However, when Rust was introduced into the kernel, they butchered these beautiful guidelines, I know it’s hard to look at such heretic actions, but you have to see this:

The default settings of rustfmt are used. This means the idiomatic Rust style is followed. For instance, 4 spaces are used for indentation rather than tabs.

How can this even relate to the ideology of the first document? I am deeply saddened by these new rules.

I know this is “The Rust experiment”, but this must be fixed before it’s too late! This has to reach someone.

A counter-argument might be:

The code should be formatted using rustfmt. In this way, a person contributing from time to time to the kernel does not need to learn and remember one more style guide. More importantly, reviewers and maintainers do not need to spend time pointing out style issues anymore, and thus less patch roundtrips may be needed to land a change.

And to that I say that rustfmt is configurable per project, and if it isn’t, then it has to be. Doesn’t something like .editorconfig exist?

Edit: I think I read enough comments to come up with a conclusion.

At first, forcing another language’s code style upon another sounds backwards, but both styles are actually more similar than I originally though, the kernel’s C style is just rustfmt’s default with:

  • 80 character line.
  • 8-space hard tabs.
  • Indentation limited to 3.
  • Short local-variable names.
  • Having function length scale negatively with complexity.

The part about switch statements doesn’t apply as Rust replaced them with match.*

The part about function brackets on new lines doesn’t apply because Rust does have nested functions.

The bad part about bracket-less if statements doesn’t apply as Rust doesn’t support such anti-features.

The part about editor cruft is probably solved in this day & age.

The rest are either forced by the borrow checker, made obsolete by the great type system, or are just C exclusive issues that are unique to C.

I left out some parts of the standard that I do not understand.

This all turned up to be an indentation and line-size argument. Embarrassing!

*: I experimented with not-indenting the arms of the root match expression, it’s surprisingly very good for simple match expressions, and feels very much like a switch, though I am not confident in recommending to people. Example:

match x {
5 => foo(),
3 => bar(),
1 => match baz(x) {
	Ok(_) => foo2(),
	Err(e) => match maybe(e) {
		Ok(_) => bar2(),
		_ => panic!(),
		}
	}
_ => panic!(),
}

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    Rustfmt is not very configurable. That is a wonderful thing: People don’t waste time on discussing different formatting options and every bit of rust code looks pretty identical.

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      My emotions just stopped, so I can now think straight.

      There are really only 2 changes that - in my eyes - should be made:

      • 8 space-long, hard tabs.
      • 80 character limit instead of 100.

      I don’t think a tool like rustfmt can affect most of the original guidelines, and it’s generally compatible with the OG style by default.

      Edit: I - surprisingly - never actually used rustfmt, so I will go now and test before I say something stupid.

      Edit II: I just found this on their repo:

      Rustfmt is designed to be very configurable.

      Edit III: I tested rustfmt with:

      hard_tabs = true

      max_width = 80

      It’s great!

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        We are not stuck to DEC VT100 terminals anymore. It’s okay to have 100 columns of code. And wasting 10% of that space for each indentation? What are you smoking?

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          wasting 10% of that space for each indentation? What are you smoking?

          As I said before, this standard is older than C itself, and the kernel’s been using it for decades, I shouldn’t have to explain it. Long tabs and short lines boost readability, and restricting indentation to 3 solves the problem. Read my reply to 1rre@discuss.tchncs.de for more context.

          Also rustfmt didn’t move the string in

          println!("a very long string slice with a static lifetime"); to a new line even when it exceeded a 100 columns, I should seek a solution.

          Note: The actual string I used was way longer than that.

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        8 space-long, hard tabs.

        Hard disagree. 8 spaces is waste and 4 should be industry standard. Tabs should not be used for indentation, but spaces. On the other side, Tabs are configurable, so that’s actually a plus point.

        80 character limit instead of 100.

        Why? 80 is an old standard with limitations that do not apply today anymore. We have wider screens and higher resolutions. While it makes sense to keep this to be consistent with previous code and language defaults for C, there is no reason to enforce this for the new adopted language, which already has a standard on its own.

        And yes rustfmt can be configured and when I started with Rust I changed max_width to 80, just because I was used to it with Python. But there is no benefit doing this in Rust.

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        I think they can just ban tabs. And do some automatic rejection via… what? Are kernel devs still using email attachment for this?