• yeah@feddit.uk
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    7 months ago

    How can you tell which is which when they’re all dressed as men?

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      6 months ago

      You don’t need to tell which is which in order to refrain from telling men who complain or disagree that they are the problem as such.

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      7 months ago

      If in doubt, ask a man you trust. It’s not like those guys would be popular among the majority, or we don’t know who they are.

      Seriously by and large women seem to have completely broken threat and personality radars. Incapable of judging the difference between harmless, insecure/aggressive, and peaceful. Don’t let “intimidating” confuse you the peaceful ones are exactly that – in the rollercoaster sense. If you got yourself a harmless one and want to coax them towards peaceful challenge them to a tickle fight.

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        7 months ago

        Please tell me you’re joking or just a troll.

        Where are you that everybody knows everybody else, including randoms at a bar or out on the street?

        From the vibe in this thread this is likely to get me bombed with downvotes, but the stakes are too high to take a gamble on whether a guy is “just intimidating” or a real threat to your safety. If a guy can’t take no for an answer in a bar chances are good he’s not going to take no in other situations either. And if I’m already uncomfortable, I’m not going to offer to make physical contact in the hopes the guy is just awkward.

        Accept the fact that they’re not into you and move on. If you can’t, or won’t, you’re part of the problem.

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          Where are you that everybody knows everybody else, including randoms at a bar or out on the street?

          Why would you need to know someone to judge their character quickly. Have you heard about this thing called empathy with which you can walk in someone’s shoes and within a split-second see what their state of mind is.

          This is precisely what I mean by having a broken threat and personality radar. “Oh I can’t tell” yeah then fix that. Learn to read people. If you need help with that, ask someone, but not on the internet this needs real-world experience.

          Accept the fact that they’re not into you and move on.

          Don’t flatter yourself. I’m not talking about picking up girls, you are.

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            6 months ago

            Why would you need to know someone to judge their character quickly.

            Wow, you’re so naive, if you aren’t a troll. You seriously think you can know a person from just a few moments of interaction? So many people are great at masking their true thoughts and intentions.

            Ted Bundy was known to be charming and charismatic… but this is by no means limited to serial killers. All kinds of people put on a facade every single day. Oftentimes it’s not even malicious.

            You don’t always know who a person truly is, even if you THINK you know them. Women will get into relationships with men who seem lovely at first, and then they turn abusive as soon as they get married because they believe they’ve had her tied down enough so she won’t leave. You hear from friends, family, neighbors of murderers and abusers say that they had no idea of that person’s dark behavior.

            Say you have a jar full of candy that you’d like a piece of, but you know that there are a handful of pieces in the jar that will poison and kill you. There’s no way to know which is which. Would you not be wary, even though you know that most of them are probably fine?

            You’re also forgetting about (or ignoring) the kinds of men that look away when their friends or family do/say things to women that aren’t ok.

            Maybe those men aren’t openly misogynistic, and maybe they would never actively harm a woman themselves, but they’re also unsafe for us to be around when they do nothing to stop or object to their peers’ behavior. Those kinds of men are even more common than abusers. I certainly wouldn’t want to be with anyone like that, even if I knew with 100% certainty that they would never lay a hand on me.

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              6 months ago

              You seriously think you can know a person from just a few moments of interaction?

              You can tell enough to know whether they’re safe to be around.

              Women will get into relationships with men who seem lovely at first, and then they turn abusive as soon as they get married because they believe they’ve had her tied down enough so she won’t leave.

              Yes. As I said: Women have shit threat and personality radars. Many of those women probably were warned by men they knew. If they weren’t, then probably because people knew they wouldn’t listen.

              So many people are great at masking their true thoughts and intentions.

              Those look like they’re hiding something.

              Seriously, this is a skill issue. Learn to relate to people. Get therapy if need be.

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                6 months ago

                You can tell enough to know whether they’re safe to be around.

                lol. like I said… really fucking naive.

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                  It’s naive to think that women who manage to not end up willingly entering relationship after relationship with abusive assholes are somehow just getting lucky. If it was a matter of chance you’d see a more even distribution but the distribution is lopsided, thus, it has to be a skill issue.

                  But if princess prefers to believe that she is too precious to acquire skills, that the world will bend to her dreams and wishes… I can only hope that luck will follow her around.

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                  Not to mention plain old being an idiot.

                  I mean, I knew my ex for a year before we married and he was fine until a couple years into our marriage. And I’m generally a good judge of character.

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                    And I’m generally a good judge of character.

                    No you aren’t. You just admitted so yourself.

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                  6 months ago

                  What about “here is how you’ll be safer, how you’ll lead a nicer life, yes a safer and nicer life is possible” is victim blaming. I’m not blaming you for being fucked up, I’m encouraging you to fix it. If that offends you then you have deeper issues than assholes existing in the world.

                  It’s not your fault that society is fucked up, that interpersonal alienation is rampant, that people wear masks so heavy that they lose the capacity to see other people’s masks, but it would be your fault if it stays that way because the one you wear is your responsibility.

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                    6 months ago

                    I don’t need to fix anything because I am not the problem. Historically, systemically and individually I am not the problem. I will continue to go about my life with my eyes wide open with risk assessment. I’m happy for you that you’re safe but I’m sad that you don’t seem able to listen to what all the women (and some men) in these comments are saying.