• Kaligalis@lemmy.world
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    18 hours ago

    Thinking that the free open-source software (FOSS) community will not find a way to work around whatever comes their way is the pure essence of ignorance. Remember when crypto was export restricted? Yeah, it got exported no problem. Only FOSS users had strong crypto outside the US.
    If they try to repeat this with age restrictions, well, I use Gentoo and will probably be able to just put in a number which the OS then reports to whoever asks. Aren’t we all born on 1970-01-01?

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      18 hours ago

      Thinking that the FOSS community can’t get locked out of all modern AMD/Intel class processors is naive.

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        18 hours ago

        Most servers and half the phones run Linux. Linux will not be locked out by any CPU maker. It would be suicide to do so.

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          16 hours ago

          How long do you think it would take for “special industrial licenses” to be required to get “Linux accessible” CPUs?

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            15 hours ago

            Actually, I expect that to not happen at all. Jurisdictions in the US already started to exempt FOSS OSes from age restriction stuff.

            But if they actually try… look at how well prohibitions worked in the past - even when the prohibited thing was legitimately harmful and outlawing it made actual sense. When there is demand there will be supply. You can still get the absolutely worst drugs in the US. Surely it would be easier to get unlocked CPUs into that country than deadly drugs.

            And if it really became impossible to get western CPUs that can run Linux inside the US… I could still just switch to Chinese hardware because like most people I luckily am outside the US. China is catching up.

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              10 hours ago

              I don’t think it’s coming, but if they really do “go there” what it will look like is: extreme tariffs on “open” processors, $1000 for a Raspberry Pi where you can get a new Intel Core NUC class system for $500. And, IMO, it would be worth the premium for the freedom of operation, but, then, you’ve also painted a target on your forehead by being one of “those nutjobs” who are willing to pay so much more for something that “only criminals need.”

              I will say: the US is more likely to take away our right to free computing before they take away our right to privately own firearms.

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                10 hours ago

                Buying new ultra-low-performance hardware makes no sense even in that scenario. PCs can last decades. People in the US would just hoard used components. And piracy still exists even though there was real effort to end it. So I guess the jailbreaking/right-to-repair community would eventually get around the limitations.
                There are plenty of examples where the absolutely strictest regimes tried to restrict their citizens’ access to foreign goods. And black markets always won.

                The firearm situation is a bit exceptional though. Being armed might make resistance a bit more viable once a large percentage of the population stops fighting each other over whether futanari are men or women.

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                  PCs can last decades.

                  They can, but how much of that longevity is in your control? My last round of Intel NUCs all died within a month of each other at 4.5 years of age - I have NUCs that I ran for 6 years before them that still work fine, but that’s now 11 year old hardware and remarkably underpowered compared to today’s options…

                  People in the US would just hoard used components.

                  Some would, some already do. Most?

                  And piracy still exists even though there was real effort to end it.

                  How real? Piracy still exists because it was too politically costly to end it.

                  I guess the jailbreaking/right-to-repair community would eventually get around the limitations.

                  They already do for the current limitations. How big is that community vs the broad market?

                  black markets always won.

                  Did they? When I traveled through the former East Germany in 1990 my bicycle was 40 years of design above and beyond anything any East German had seen before. I stayed with a “wealthy” retiree in his apartment filled with the latest/greatest of what he could obtain on that black market: a reel-to-reel tape player, a 9" color TV, basic Hi Fi gear - nothing resembling a computer.

                  The firearm situation is a bit exceptional

                  Thankfully.

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        17 hours ago

        Thinking that any modern CPU vendor would lock out Linux is not naive, it’s the demonstration of pure ignorance and utter lack of knowledge in the world of technology.