I get where you are coming from, where moderation of media can become thought control.
Unfortunately, the Paradox of Tolerance means we have to be intolerant of intolerance, of stochastic terrorism, of manipulation and disinformation, of yellow journalism, of hate.
In the case presented by comic, I see it as a white lie to help someone get outside of a toxic echo chamber that is Lox News, I mean Fox News Entertainment.
No one is immune from propaganda. Not you, not me, and not the older generation that’s been proven to be very susceptible. The ideal is to have a discussion about it, but given the toxicity of the right wing and how very skilled they are, I get it. Hell, I told my sister to do this exact thing to my grandpa. Because I cared about him and that shit, on top of being evil, probably isn’t good for blood pressure and stress.
We make decisions for each other all the time and the news can be obtained elsewhere. Far from fascism.
Legit question. What would you do? A loved one is in a right wing pipeline. They are resistant to discussion regarding the topic (as is common with such things). There are known negative health, life, and moral outcomes to letting it continue. It is known that removing the easy access has positive results. You have the ability to limit them in some way that would not harm or truly limit them (as previously stated, news is obtainable from many sources).
The trolley approaches and your hand is on the lever. What’s your solution? Because this isn’t a thought problem. It’s something that real people are dealing with every day.
it’s literally a cult, have father who has consumed nothing but murdoch brainrot for 30+ years…if there were a way to go back in time and undo that damage i would
I’ll take your comment in good faith, but thats a ridiculous comparison. Eating waffles isn’t a mechanism of totalitarian power (at least not in this timeline)…secretly controlling what other adults are allowed to read and watch is textbook authoritarian.
Would you stop another adult from consuming coffee? Would you stop another adult from consuming meth?
I think it’s safe to say that the right wing in this country has created the propaganda equivalent of meth. You may say I’m being hyperbolic, but try taking their Fox News away from them and see how they react. It’s much like an addict losing their fix.
I love my mom, but she’s getting up there in years. She’s not a critical thinker anymore. She certainly doesn’t have the wherewithal to fight this machine that’s explicitly targeting her and her fears. Letting her consume truthsocial and Fox News is neglect on my part, as someone who cares about her well-being.
Edit: and waffles absolutely will be the downfall of democracy. Mark my words.
This is literally fascist behavior
Blocking pro-fascist media is fascist now?
Secretly manipulating what other adults are allowed to consume because you think they can’t handle it…hmmm…I wonder who else did that.
I get where you are coming from, where moderation of media can become thought control.
Unfortunately, the Paradox of Tolerance means we have to be intolerant of intolerance, of stochastic terrorism, of manipulation and disinformation, of yellow journalism, of hate.
In the case presented by comic, I see it as a white lie to help someone get outside of a toxic echo chamber that is Lox News, I mean Fox News Entertainment.
So you get where I’m coming from but somehow this philosophy makes it… Inevitable?
This is sounding more fascist by the minute
“I had no choice, I was just following orders”
More like acceptable.
No one is immune from propaganda. Not you, not me, and not the older generation that’s been proven to be very susceptible. The ideal is to have a discussion about it, but given the toxicity of the right wing and how very skilled they are, I get it. Hell, I told my sister to do this exact thing to my grandpa. Because I cared about him and that shit, on top of being evil, probably isn’t good for blood pressure and stress.
We make decisions for each other all the time and the news can be obtained elsewhere. Far from fascism.
Very well put, thank you
All I’ve gathered from this discussion is it really is fitting that the comic is a play on the word hypocrisy.
Either way, thanks for the discussion.
Legit question. What would you do? A loved one is in a right wing pipeline. They are resistant to discussion regarding the topic (as is common with such things). There are known negative health, life, and moral outcomes to letting it continue. It is known that removing the easy access has positive results. You have the ability to limit them in some way that would not harm or truly limit them (as previously stated, news is obtainable from many sources).
The trolley approaches and your hand is on the lever. What’s your solution? Because this isn’t a thought problem. It’s something that real people are dealing with every day.
Legit response. I would leave their agency alone and discuss their ideas in the open.
I wouldn’t like the idea of someone taking my autonomy away, and I don’t think you would either.
I also don’t ascribe to the notion that the ends justify the means.
it’s literally a cult, have father who has consumed nothing but murdoch brainrot for 30+ years…if there were a way to go back in time and undo that damage i would
It is acceptable to label objectively dangerous ideas as dangerous. You cant tolerate hate and propaganda or else you get the current state of the US
If your argument is “fascists did it so it’s fascist behavior”, then so is eating waffles.
I’ll take your comment in good faith, but thats a ridiculous comparison. Eating waffles isn’t a mechanism of totalitarian power (at least not in this timeline)…secretly controlling what other adults are allowed to read and watch is textbook authoritarian.
Would you stop another adult from consuming coffee? Would you stop another adult from consuming meth?
I think it’s safe to say that the right wing in this country has created the propaganda equivalent of meth. You may say I’m being hyperbolic, but try taking their Fox News away from them and see how they react. It’s much like an addict losing their fix.
I love my mom, but she’s getting up there in years. She’s not a critical thinker anymore. She certainly doesn’t have the wherewithal to fight this machine that’s explicitly targeting her and her fears. Letting her consume truthsocial and Fox News is neglect on my part, as someone who cares about her well-being.
Edit: and waffles absolutely will be the downfall of democracy. Mark my words.