• Montagge@lemmy.zip
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    Decades ago, she’d married into a ranching and timber family, and a chunk of the forest she owned was bulldozed for a transmission line. She blamed the line when she couldn’t get the timber to grow as she wanted.

    “It keeps my brain working,” she said with a laugh.

    Proposals for new wind farms kept cropping up, and she contested as many as she could, even ones three hours from her home.

    “She calls herself a redneck environmentalist,”

    Fucking delusional idiot

    Edit: As a note Oregon is in year 24ish of a drought. The transmission line is not causing her trees not to grow. Drought and soil degradation caused by logging is causing the trees to grow slower. It’s an industry wide issue. The big players like Weyerhauser have responded by harvesting more at once and smaller trees.

    And then you get this stupid shit as justification:

    The company that owned Kinzua, the timber town where she grew up, razed it without a trace after shutting down operations in 1978.

    So because a lumber mill company town that she lived in closed the town she’s going to nuke rural jobs? First the mill closed because the company that owned it didn’t want to pay to upgrade the mill to take in smaller trees. Mills are built to process trees of a certain size. That’s what closed a lot of the mills in the 70s and 80s. Not the god damn spotted owl. Corporate greed that threw away small logging towns to save a buck shipping the logs to mills further away rather than upgrading the older mills to process smaller trees. Second does she think that these small towns are going survive with nothing? No she doesn’t think because she’s a geriatric dipshit with lead brain.

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    I think the article makes clear that she is not the real problem. She has every right to do this, and if the state doesn’t like it, they should adjust the laws.

    It’s good that citizens and environmentalists make themselves heard against big business interests. If they have too much power, the legislature should correct that. But I’m not going to blame an old environmentalist for not choosing to shut up.

    Do better, government.

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      I’m sick of seeing people abuse loopholes and act in bad faith while technically being in the confines of the law and deflect criticism with “well if people don’t like it, they should just change the law!”

      How about instead, the person abusing it crawls in a hole and fucking dies? If it’s one person, the problem obviously isn’t the law, it’s the lack of morals, empathy, or reason from one, singular dipshit. And if you change the law, they’ll just keep finding other ways to keep being a entitled waste of air. Nothing would be lost by this person becoming a rotten corpse.

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          Ah I see you’re used to civilized, sanitized internet comments. The only kind that are allowed on places like reddit or Instagram or other places too chickenshit to allow any mention of death or violence, even in abstract, so as not to scare away advertisers who want to sell you the newest subscription based dildo to shove up your ass.

          Well too bad. That’s not here. I will gladly wish for the sudden death of those who are human incarnations of pus filled boils on the ass of society. If that shocks or offends you, go back to the internet kiddie pool.

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            Right, the problem isn’t that your argument of “death to protestors” is a stupid, empty, Internet tough guy load of hot air spewed like a child, it’s that you’re swimming in the wilds of the Internet, it’s that I’m in the “kiddie pool”. Got it

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        Setting aside the whole ecofascistic bent of your writing…

        There’s nothing really actionable about that. Unless you are interested in literally unaliving someone for this, that just sounds like complaining on the internet.

        Changning our laws is a plan. I’m not interested in just bitching online: I think we should work to DO things. And for better or worse, your solution doesn’t sound like one you’re willing or interested in actually applying.

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      But I’m not going to blame an old environmentalist for not choosing to shut up.

      Putting aside that there is no world in which this person can be reasonably called an “environmentalist”, can we blame her for her shitty reasoning, ridiculous beliefs, and bad-faith motivations? If you change laws to neuter local government in order to protect against this sort of bullshit you will inevitably shift the balance of power in favour of corporations that will misuse it.

      A functional society requires some sense of civil responsibility in its people. If every single undesirable behaviour must be legislated against then 1) this probably will fail and 2) if it succeeds your society will no longer be free. Americans have for a while now focused on their rights without any thought to how to exercise those rights responsibly. This is an example of that. That other commenters may be consumed with mindless anger but under it lies this exact point.

      To be clear, I’m not saying the rules shouldn’t be changed. I’m saying that what any such change will do is shift the trade-off.

      Do better, government.

      Only in the modern American mind, swimming in decades of rightwing ideology (yes, even among the left), is the government somehow a completely separate , disconnected thing from the people. It’s not. Americans get the governments they deserve.

      How about you actually take some interest in policy? What change do you want to make? Propose something, and remember that all the oil companies that want to frack in your backyard have rooms full of really smart people who get paid more than you ready to see how your policy change can be exploited to their ends.

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        I think your points are very agreeable. I don’t disagree with most of that.

        I do think your thinking is flawed in presenting the government regulatory environment as simply a dial to turn between corporations and regular people.

        Do you play any games? Either board games or video games? I wish more people took an interest in game design, because it’s a really complicated and fascinating field with a ton of relevance to social policy.

        Instead of viewing the government as the decider between who gets to be the dominant force and who is the disadvantaged actor, we should try to design systems to counter balance effectively. A classic example is the division of powers between branches of government. That’s a great idea that has worked pretty well, and most people understand.

        In this case, I would suggest that there should democratic mechanisms that allow small groups to challenge intuitional power (including both corporations and the state) but also for bigger groups of people to challenge small groups. This woman files a lot of legal challenges where she has no real stake. There should be mechanisms for local residents and environmental groups to restrain some of the legal tools she’s abusing. In other words, I don’t want to empower the corporations she’s fighting, I want to empower GOOD environmentalists (yes, she is an environmentalist, even if she sucks) to cut her off. Kind of like how many states are finally addressing the problem of SLAPP (Strategic Lawsuit Against Public Participation) lawsuits.

        We should have mechanisms to allow limits to the number and duration of challenges. A lot of this is about filibustering projects. Let people challenge them, but require these challenges to be adjudicated quickly and then place limits on repeat challenges and delay tactics.

        Again, she’s wrong and fuck her. But that’s not a political project, that’s just complaining. I’m proposing we put our energy where it makes a difference.

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    16 days ago

    Exactly the way industry treats regular protesters asking for change. Why is this news? We need less Irenes, and more clean energy projects.