Watch “thank you for smoking” or read literally anything on persuasive argument. Exposing and publicizing these viewpoints does not make them less popular. Allowing the “alt-right” to have “free exchange in the marketplace of ideas” has only led to there being more Nazis or Nazi adjacent people now than there was before we did that. The “alt-right” isn’t even alt anymore, it’s the mainstream right-wing position.
People that think “oh well that’s only because we haven’t had the right argument” are completely ignorant of history. We didn’t defeat Hitler in “the marketplace of ideas”, and you won’t defeat Putin or Trump there either.
Have you considered that your Overton window has changed and everybody you think is Nazis and Nazi adjacent are just more right of your politics now than before? There hasn’t been a major shift in the public but internet politics has shifted drastically.
Yeah on second thought you’re right, Putin is actually a leftist, and it’s totally not Nazi-ish to call for white nationalism, rally saying “Jews will not replace us”, or try to overthrow the government because you don’t like election results. /s
PS: If this argument is an example of how you’re going to persuade Nazis or the general public in a debate with Nazis into not being Nazis, you’re even more deluded than you know.
You cherry pick the most extreme examples and then call everybody a Nazi. I wasn’t talking about Putin. I wasn’t talking about Trump. I was talking about everyday people. The vast majority of people which means the one that decide what politics win. Remember in a democracy the one with the most votes wins. All the extreme viewpoints that you point to are a minority of a minority.
The vast majority of people which means the one that decide what politics win. Remember in a democracy the one with the most votes wins. All the extreme viewpoints that you point to are a minority of a minority.
We aren’t in a democracy.
Trump got more votes in 2020 than he did in 2016.
The “minority of a minority” that you speak of that hold these viewpoints are the Republican candidates for POTUS in 2024. All except maybe Chris Christie are still holding the torch for Trump.
Once you’re under the boot of fascism, it won’t matter that the majority of people started out disagreeing with the fascists. They divide and conquer and rule using terror and violence. The numbers are meaningless if the numbers take no action against the threat. They’ll become spectators to mass violence or victims thereof.
Is Trump an extremist as you claimed just a post ago, or is it that it’s a new extremist view of mine that attempting to overturn an election is fascist behavior?
First of all I didn’t mention what he was at all. But the truth of the matter is that he’s just a corrupt idiot. He bumbled his way into being a cult leader. He’s not exactly making proactive decisions about what the cult does.
Aside from that the actual Q cultists are few and far between. They may be loud but they’re small. The mainstream appeal of Trump was because everybody is tired of constant politics. Some people may like it but most people couldn’t give two shits.
You cherry pick the most extreme examples and then call everybody a Nazi. I wasn’t talking about Putin. I wasn’t talking about Trump.
“Extreme examples” included Trump in your previous post.
He bumbled his way into being a cult leader. He’s not exactly making proactive decisions about what the cult does.
That’s the heart of the matter. He’s a cult leader. Fascism is many things but central to fascist movements is a charismatic leader who alters the government around their cult of personality.
I thoroughly disagree that he doesn’t make proactive decisions about what the cult does (whose idea was 1/6/21?).
Watch “thank you for smoking” or read literally anything on persuasive argument. Exposing and publicizing these viewpoints does not make them less popular. Allowing the “alt-right” to have “free exchange in the marketplace of ideas” has only led to there being more Nazis or Nazi adjacent people now than there was before we did that. The “alt-right” isn’t even alt anymore, it’s the mainstream right-wing position.
People that think “oh well that’s only because we haven’t had the right argument” are completely ignorant of history. We didn’t defeat Hitler in “the marketplace of ideas”, and you won’t defeat Putin or Trump there either.
Have you considered that your Overton window has changed and everybody you think is Nazis and Nazi adjacent are just more right of your politics now than before? There hasn’t been a major shift in the public but internet politics has shifted drastically.
Yeah on second thought you’re right, Putin is actually a leftist, and it’s totally not Nazi-ish to call for white nationalism, rally saying “Jews will not replace us”, or try to overthrow the government because you don’t like election results. /s
PS: If this argument is an example of how you’re going to persuade Nazis or the general public in a debate with Nazis into not being Nazis, you’re even more deluded than you know.
You cherry pick the most extreme examples and then call everybody a Nazi. I wasn’t talking about Putin. I wasn’t talking about Trump. I was talking about everyday people. The vast majority of people which means the one that decide what politics win. Remember in a democracy the one with the most votes wins. All the extreme viewpoints that you point to are a minority of a minority.
We aren’t in a democracy.
Trump got more votes in 2020 than he did in 2016.
The “minority of a minority” that you speak of that hold these viewpoints are the Republican candidates for POTUS in 2024. All except maybe Chris Christie are still holding the torch for Trump.
Once you’re under the boot of fascism, it won’t matter that the majority of people started out disagreeing with the fascists. They divide and conquer and rule using terror and violence. The numbers are meaningless if the numbers take no action against the threat. They’ll become spectators to mass violence or victims thereof.
Refer to my previous comment about your political window shifting.
Is Trump an extremist as you claimed just a post ago, or is it that it’s a new extremist view of mine that attempting to overturn an election is fascist behavior?
First of all I didn’t mention what he was at all. But the truth of the matter is that he’s just a corrupt idiot. He bumbled his way into being a cult leader. He’s not exactly making proactive decisions about what the cult does.
Aside from that the actual Q cultists are few and far between. They may be loud but they’re small. The mainstream appeal of Trump was because everybody is tired of constant politics. Some people may like it but most people couldn’t give two shits.
“Extreme examples” included Trump in your previous post.
That’s the heart of the matter. He’s a cult leader. Fascism is many things but central to fascist movements is a charismatic leader who alters the government around their cult of personality.
I thoroughly disagree that he doesn’t make proactive decisions about what the cult does (whose idea was 1/6/21?).