Wayland seems ready to me but the main problem that many programs are not configured / compiled to support it. Why is that? I know it’s not easy as “Wayland support? Yes” (but in many cases adding a flag is enough but maybe it’s not a perfect support). What am I missing? Even Blender says if it fails to use Wayland it will use X11.

When Wayland is detected, it is the preferred system, otherwise X11 will be used

Also XWayland has many limitations as X11 does.

  • sramder@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    2 months ago

    Oh it sounds like you understand it correctly :-)

    Thank you for taking the time to type this all up, you have expertly summarized the situation and I’m very grateful. Even with focused research it can be very hard to gain an objective understanding of complex subjects these days… doubly so when polaring topics like how to do desktop linux right are involved.

    I suppose it would be foolish of the Wayland devs to wade into the middle of those waters if they want their work to remain beneficial to all. And suddenly the abstract technical details in the linked article make more sense to me… they really want to remain abstract from some of the implementation details.

    This does seem a bit grim… and it perfectly explains why my problems could be fixed and one distro/wm and not another while still somehow being a “waylaid issue.” I suppose the best solutions/implementations will probably at least end up being shared in principle… I don’t really know enough about the current state of either desktop to be sure, I just wanted to say something positive :-)

    • bastion@feddit.nl
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      2 months ago

      Honestly, it’s pretty normal for Linux. It’ll fracture until it becomes glaringly obvious that there’s a problem, and then it’ll get standardized, and the standard may be supported in the next version.

      Ubuntu could have gone flatpak. They didn’t. Kde and gnome could have come to a common agreement about desktop-related stuff they have in common. They didn’t. So it goes. The real pain points eventually get fixed.

      • sramder@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        2 months ago

        Non linear evolution at it’s finest ;-)

        It’s a lot harder to keep track of than it used to be but (holy crap) we won… mostly.

        • bastion@feddit.nl
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          2 months ago

          Honestly? Yeah. I agree. At the very least, a solid niche has been carved out, and it’s growing. I like that.

          I’d really like to see more governmental support, but… …so it goes.

          • sramder@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            2 months ago

            I’m pretty sure that just free is harder to tax. Remember having to stop and explain what unix was? :-)