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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Treachery_of_Images

They got a lot of money by selling out their users. They are still getting a lot of money by selling out their users.

Wait, you mean the people that hoard all of our resources and don’t pay taxes will leave? Oh noes! 😱 What will we do without them…

Hey now, don’t undersell them

They also helped build out a lot of the systems that the fascists are using, and reached across the aisle to support the facists.

LoL, that wasn’t the original internet. That was years after the internet had been around. <joke here about these kids needing to get off my lawn>

Maybe. As a buyer, I’ve had a few things never show up. Not stolen or anything, the tracking info says that they never showed up. But eBay still refuses to give me a refund.

I feel like The Dragon Speech is relevent here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBrj4S24074

Overall it’s a fantastic speech that is well worth a watch, but I found the relevent parts here: https://www.erasmatazz.com/library/the-journal-of-computer/jcgd-volume-6/i-had-a-dream.html

Suppose that, instead of giving a lecture to 170 people as I did at the conference, I were to meet with each of them individually. Suppose I took one person off into a little room and there we had an interactive conversation instead of an expository lecture.

…then my partner would be involved. The juices would be flowing faster, his mind would be going a mile a minute, and he’d learn a lot more, wouldn’t he? From my point of view, I’d be getting my point across a lot more effectively, wouldn’t I? But the problem was, there were 170 people in that lecture room, and only one of me, and if I used the interactive method, I’d still be conversing with individuals. The expository method is so much more efficient.

And that is the nature of the problem. The interactive conversation is effective, but the expository lecture is efficient…every communicator has been forced to sacrifice effectiveness for efficiency – until now. Because now we have a technology that changes all that. With the computer, I can take my ideas and express them in the form of algorithms, and then I can code those algorithms in a program, and put that program on a floppy disk, and then we can mass produce that disk. We can make millions of copies of that disk and spread it all over the world so that millions of people can play my game. They can interact with my ideas. Because they are interacting, I achieve effectiveness. Because we are mass producing the disks, I achieve efficiency. This is the revolutionary significance of the computer. It allows us to have both effectiveness and efficiency.

It’s been many years since I’ve been in a classroom, but I feel like we could and should have a highly advanced system for individualizing education in a way that works with most learning styles.

What is the gain? What is a single gain you think they have milked from their users?

But nobody pays for Firefox? Do you mean the “recommended pages”?

They get money from Google, advertisements, and selling data. Did you think Mozilla made it without paying their employees and executives?

Money for their executives

“…from email to LLMs, that nobody self-hosts”

As someone that self-hosts those things, both professionally and personally, I’m gonna have to disagree. I wish more did, but there are plenty of self-hosters out there, they just don’t get headlines.

I dunno about ebay specifically, as they haven’t banned my account. But I meant this more about websites in general. My experience is that they could just look at the name on my credit-card and realize that I’m the same person, but they don’t. I’m sure there are exemptions.

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or
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One of the reasons that I like owning my domain, is that I can just make another account. ebay2@somedomain.com, and I’m back to buying.

Yes. I find a lot of people actually learn what they are talking about before talking about it. I also find that a lot of people read what I write, and address those points, rather than points that I never made.

And I have a hard time addressing people who refuse to research, and keep arguing against things that I never said.

lol, that was hilarious

Citation requested

Do some searching here, on reddit, etc. You’ll find it.

Good for the massive waves of people who want to give Mozilla money. They already can https://www.mozillafoundation.org/en/?form=donate-header

That’s not what I said. I said that they wanted to donate to Firefox, not Mozilla. I find it very telling that Mozilla doesn’t let them do that, but insteads forces people to donate to the org, that overpays it’s executives.

Oh yeah. I LOVE when my boss tells me that I am going to get paid less but I will be more effective because of it. Oh, wait, no I don’t.

Who said that the people who are actually working on Firefox would get paid less? I certainly didn’t. I clearly said that the useless executives would get paid less

Honestly? it sounds like you don’t care about reality and just care about things being ideologically pure for you with the expectation that it will all work out. So… maybe try to educate yourself on any of all this before trying to have a discussion about it?

I have. But you clearly didn’t read what I posted. If you aren’t going to address the things that I wrote, why comment?

The Pro had a funnier take on the same basic idea:

I find some sites like that, but for the most part, if not having JS breaks the site, then I just move on. It’s very rare that there is only one website where I can find the information that I need.

I also have it set up so that it’s just one button to re-enable JS, so it’s quick and easy to turn on if I decide to do so.