Well this thread has proven conclusively that atheists are just as closed minded as religious folk. I’ve never seen so many angry idiots argue for suicide.

I’ll spell it out one more time for you dumbfucks and then I’m blocking all your asses.

There is no scientific consensus on what happens to the consciousness after death. Period.

It could just end. It could also mean that you lay there helplessly experiencing the absolute pain of every cell dying, rotting and being consumed as it decays.

It could be that you find yourself trying to justify your sins to Anubis. It could be that you end up in Valhalla.

We simply don’t know. And that makes the risk assessment of the action of suicide (as a relief from the pain of living) volatile to the point where the possible gain in pain relief isn’t worth the loss of your life.

That’s it. That’s my entire argument. It’s not Christian, it’s not scientific. It’s fucking assessing a gambling risk. Grow up and get your collective heads out of your asses - the moral grandstanding because you "suspect’’ I might have a religious view is fucking idiotic and obnoxious - you’re no better than the Christians you think you’re preaching against.

It’s not a religious view - you folks need to take a step back and look at the argument, not your own inferences.

So then do you know? Seeing as you think you’re psychic and all…

Literally the entire point of my comment is “we don’t know”. Don’t put words in other people’s mouths, and understand that it’s bad form to attempt to make straw man arguments when you have nothing to contribute to the conversation.

Which, incidentally, is what the ancient Egyptian’s conception of hell was:

In order to receive judgement the dead journeyed through the various parts of the Duat to be judged. If the deceased was successfully able to pass various challenges, then they would reach the Judgment of the dead. In this ritual, the deceased’s first task was to correctly address each of the forty-two Assessors of Maat by name, while reciting the sins they did not commit during their lifetime.[15] After confirming that they were sinless, the heart of the deceased was weighed by Anubis against the feather of Maat, which represents truth and justice. Any heart that is heavier than the feather failed the test, and was rejected and eaten by Ammit, the devourer of souls, as these people were denied existence after death in the Duat. The souls that were lighter than the feather would pass this most important test, and would be allowed to travel to Aaru.

The Duat is not equivalent to the conceptions of Hell in the Abrahamic religions, in which souls are condemned with fiery torment. The absolute punishment for the wicked, in ancient Egyptian thought, was the denial of an afterlife to the deceased, ceasing to exist in the intellectual form seen through the devouring of the heart by Ammit

One of the reasons I’ve decided to stick around. Plus, I just like walking like an Egyptian…

Why? It’s a simple risk assessment based one question:

If I kill myself, will it stop the pain?

And the answer is that I don’t know. Neither do you. For all we know, it could be worse.

To me, that’s an unacceptable risk.

Anything you infer or think I’m implying is based on your own assumptions (which are shallow and self-centered - you have no idea about the amount of pain I’ve suffered in my life, so fuck you very much too - pretty arrogant to assume you have a monopoly on suffering).

My original statement isn’t a moral or religious statement, it’s just one of fact. You have a limited amount of time to live. You have (apparently) an unlimited amount of time to be dead, you will be dead eventually no matter what, and being dead could be much worse than being alive depending on what you experience.

The odds that things will get better with suicide aren’t in your favor. That’s just a fact, kid. Don’t be in a rush to make things worse for yourself and everyone around you.

The major flaw in your reasoning is that you’re assuming that there’s less pain on the other side. It could be better, but it could be much much worse, especially if you’re carrying the regret of unfinished business left behind.

You have a couple of decades worth of life left to deal with. You’ve got an eternity to be dead, and it could suck worse. Plus, if you’re a Buddhist or Hindu you’re probably gonna have to go through it all again. Might as well see this ride through to the end of the line.

If you didn’t care, you wouldn’t have posted this comic.

Don’t fuck with the professional skeptics, kid. There is no limit to raw existential skepticism. All of your intentions are suspect…

Or are they? And what is suspected?

And am I talking to you or the audience? Why would I be talking to you when I don’t even know if you’re a real person or a bot? Is the audience listening? Am I listening? Am I real person? I think, therefore I am, but what happens when I’m not thinking?

There’s also an astroturfing campaign against it as well over there - I’ve noticed a lot of bot comments and bullshit when I post links to here from there.

IF YOU WERE A REAL MAN IT WOULD ALREADY BE A WETWALL

At first I was like:

…then I saw this:

And began to realize that things were about to get bad…

I didn’t realize the drama, the pathos:

The good times:

…and the bad:

After much contemplation, I realized there was only one meme I could post in defense:

Soundtrack

I play mages, so the real issue for me is that the magic system in Oblivion is far superior. Being able to craft your own spells is absolutely fantastic. Skyrim cheaped out by removing the complexity and spell crafting, and Shouts didn’t really serve as a decent replacement.

Combat with the remaster is exceptionally smooth and natural, and I honestly preferred the original Oblivion system than Skyrim’s - which always felt janky to me - like it was trying to use Fallout mechanics to show off, not because it made for a better combat experience.

The questing and storyline strikes an excellent balance between open world discovery and directed play - Skyrim’s felt disconnected, and I often lost track of exactly what was going on or why. You also get far more background and story - books in Skyrim are usually one or two pages long. Books in Oblivion usually are around 20 - 30 pages.

The remaster absolutely kicks ass - visually, it’s easily on par with Skyrim graphics, and the audio is fantastic. The performance is far better as well, but it still retains a lot of the old school flavor with the simple interface. I’m really enjoying it thus far - it’s been long enough since i played the original on the 360 that it’s like a new game.

Plus, it’s got some amazing early 00’s voice talent - Patrick Stewart plays the Emperor, and despite the lines being a bit janky at time due to how they were recorded, the actors did a really good job.

All in all, it’s AAA title from a time when that meant something, and with the modern engine and graphics, it’s a masterpiece that outshines many of the top titles out today.

“Suck who? I’m gonna do what you tell me.”

Better than Skyrim. Fight me.

Really gunning for that Antichrist title there…

Trump.

Edit: QuarterSwede beat me to it, so I’ll go for Musk as a close second.

Well then, as lemmy’s self-designated High Corvid of Progressivity, I extend to you the traditional Fediversal blessing of:

remember kids:

A place in heaven is reserved for those who speak truth to power