You still seem stuck on the idea that winning the German election was important. I’m reminding you again that it took hitler approximately 1 year to go from losing that election in 1932 to consolidating absolute power in 1933 with the Enabling Act.

Yeah, in that case “the vast majority of Americans” are wrong. You’re also overestimating how many people believe in that sham of an electoral system, look at polling on whether America is democratic or look at voter participation rates.

“A better world is not possible, the best we can do is moderate hitler unironically” was NOT on my bingo card for today, but here we are.

I didn’t even catch that TBH, but the implication that social democrats somehow AREN’T liberals is funny.

undemocratically annointing an even more wildly unpopular and more hated moderate hitler that promised to do everything hitler did but with a smiley face so you could stay at brunch.

A candidate who then lost to the regular hitler lmao.

When you really think about it, why do people in the west even feel the need to have an opinion (especially negative) about the DPRK? All the propaganda is so obviously an attempt to manufacture consent to massacre Koreans again as well as to distract from any problems at home.

I think you answered this actually, it makes them feel smart. The underlying emotional cause is a sense of superiority they get to feel towards the evil eastern “regime” (which is just repackaged colonial racism, in the end), which allows them to feel better about their own lot in life. It’s the white man’s burden.

choose hindenburg in 1932

get hitler in 1933 anyway

historians are still trying to figure out how this happened /s

It’s amazing that the only political options you can imagine are voting for the 100% hitler or 99% hitler party until you get 100% hitler anyway. You think revolution is impossible, apparently. The revolution doesn’t come from nowhere and revolutionary politics is not just immediately taking power. You build up parallel institutions of power to be ready to fight when you need to and seize power when the opportunity comes. These can be used to defend yourself when the hitlers come for you.

Your entire stance here is just “better things aren’t possible, hitler is inevitable”.

I adopted the other person’s framing, but I do think “moderate Hitler” isn’t as bad as “Hitler”.

oh my god, you’re actually not joking

I could get you to support anything by this logic, rather than refuse the non-choice and choose revolutionary means instead. Literally the only value on display here is the preservation of the current state of things.

I don’t think I’m the weird one for wanting to do harm minimization when harm eradication isn’t realistically on the table.

You’re the one saying it’s not on the table, since your idea of political participation doesn’t seem to ever go beyond voting every 4 years for parties that stand for the same thing in the end.

You can vote for the Democrats, that’s fine, but if you’re expecting them to stop the Republicans or to not do mostly the same things Republicans do then you’re not paying attention to what they do. Voting isn’t going to save you here.

Yeah, “moderate hitler” seriously got me. Do they not realize that people say “moderate hitler” to mock the exact political position they now seem to be unironically supporting?

You didn’t even know who Hindenburg was until 15 minutes ago but still confidently replied to a comment about him before looking it up, maybe don’t lecture others about their knowledge of reality.

You’re acting like the nazis were waiting to be given power legitimately when they in fact abolished any democracy the moment they were able to get away with it. The timeline here wasn’t driven by “can hitler get enough votes to win”, hitler took power however he could (he didn’t win the vote) and abolished voting as soon as he was able. I don’t know why you think that voting against the people who plan to abolish the right to vote will do anything, they literally openly do not respect the practice or the outcomes of votes. Politically, you are staring at the shadows on the wall of Plato’s cave and getting mad at people asking you to actually exit the cave and do something that might have an effect against fascists.

I’m also aware of what would’ve happened if Hitler as elected instead.

Literally exactly the same thing?

are you aware of what happened when hindenburg was elected

By that logic, Hindenburg was “better” than Hitler, but choosing one still got you the other in the end.

So why did you reply? lol

He wasn’t figuratively lynched either lmao.

It’s literally the definition of a civil war.

No, it isn’t lmao. A huge number of people who fought against the CPC in the civil war went on to live in China afterwards. Some people switched sides. A civil war is fought for control over a country for many reasons, it’s not “a giant fucking war against people who were ready to die to prevent themselves from being part of” the country afterwards. The only reason to frame the Chinese Civil War like this other than ignorance is to soft-pedal glorification of or apologia for the KMT, painting them as some kind of popular resistance movement against the CPC.

Is the difference that ita colonialism if you need a boat to get there? Because I should point out Taiwan is an island.

“at least some of the differences”

And this would be that cherrypicking I mentioned. I don’t fault that, because every method is cherrypicking, because there isn’t a “true” or “best” system.

I’m not advocating a true or best system, this is a thread about the hypocrisy of an American nationalist on twitter. However, if you think that the Chinese Civil War wasn’t vastly “better” than colonialism (the comparison you seem to insist on making, for some reason), I think we have very little to say to each other.

China as it is now was formed by having a giant fucking war against people who were ready to die to prevent themselves from being part of China as it is now. Just like pretty much every other country in all of history.

This is an extremely strange way to describe the Chinese Civil War and the Second Sino-Japanese War. At best reductive in the extreme and at worst comically misleading.

The difference between china (and pretty much every other country in Europe and Asia) and the is that those wars were at least mostly fought by people who actually lived there.

OK, so you do understand at least some of the differences between civil war and settler colonialism.

My point is, you can’t just say “this country is X years old”, because it almost never is, and it always depends on cherry picking. You can say Germany turns 36 this year, or you can say it turns 1226. Italy was either created in 1946, or the 3600 years ago at the founding of Rome. China can start with the Zhou dynasty 3000 years ago, or with Mao 70 years ago.

You don’t seem to understand the concept of a nation and are mixing it up with the concept of a state.

A nation is a historically constituted, stable community of people, formed on the basis of a common language, territory, economic life, and psychological make-up manifested in a common culture.

• Joseph Stalin, Marxism and the National Question.

The Chinese nation is unquestionably older than any European or North American nation embodied in the current European and North American states, because there is unquestionably a Chinese culture that can be traced from those previous polities, which considered themselves Chinese. Even just considering a Chinese state/independent polity it would be ridiculous to say that it was founded 70 years ago. On the other hand, it’s trivial to tell that the oldest possible date for the founding of America is very recent by comparison, so the person in the twitter screenshot is obviously a hypocrite, which is the whole point of the post.

None of those are completely true, and yet they aren’t entirely wrong either. Thats why these maps are stupid. Proclaiming your state to be the best because some people had a state where yours now is is pretty dumb.

So you do understand the point of the post.

And ALL of them got where they are by killing people who didn’t want to be part of their state. Every single one.

You’ve reduced all the complexities of history to a single sentence which serves only to obscure the crimes of settler-colonialism.

The US has been evil since pretty much always

Same for China

Same for Russia

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lmao