People in this thread don’t understand what machine learning is, and they think Tesla’s FSD is chat gpt.

I’m an early Tesla enthusiast and I’ve purchased FSD when it was cheap, I still don’t have what I purchased, they no longer claim the things they used to claim it will do on the website, Elon is a Nazi con man who took a great product and hired brilliant engineers to build amazing tech only to taint it by manipulating an election to install a dictator and Seig Heiled in celebration.

But Elon is just the rich asshole that runs the company, the brilliant engineers made amazing software that is still amazing despite not fulfilling Elon’s fraudulent sales pitches.

This is not an endorsement of Tesla, I hope it crashes and burns as long as he benefits from it, I wish we can nationalize it and all its very valuable assets. But my “supervised” FSD handles all my driving and I haven’t had a single disengagement in many months. It takes me from my driveway to any address with ease, and my passengers don’t even realize I’m not driving.

Sticking your head in the sand and pretending it’s not a real product because the CEO turned out to be a Nazi isn’t intellectually honest or useful. Normalize the idea of nationalizing Tesla, it was heavily funded by our tax dollars after all.

FSD is improving at an incredible pace, and it would be very beneficial to society to nationalize and open source it, otherwise Elon the Nazi capitalist gets to benefit from it alone. China has incredible capacity to collect the training data in a short time that Tesla spent a decade collecting, and I have no doubt they’ll have an FSD comparable product soon, I do doubt they’ll open source it.

inb4 someone calls me a Republican or a Russian because I said FSD is real. Find someone who has it and ask them for a demo, and judge for yourself.

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Enjoy.

Well, considering freedom of speech doesn’t cover yelling “bomb”, probably arrested for causing mass panic.

lol. You’re not wrong that it’ll be way easier to rely on AI to do the sorting for you, but you’re implying Google didn’t sanitize information and only give you results they approve of…

There’s way more to the internet than you can find on search engines.

You know we use the internet to transfer way more than most websites right?

It caught me off guard too, I don’t think it’s well executed. The point they’re trying to make is that all these things Americans enjoy were introduced to America through immigrants/foreigners.

I appreciate you clarifying, there’s more we agree on than not.

You’re absolutely right to emphasize the role of workers in the chain. The process from A to B to C doesn’t function without their labor, and too often, they’re rendered invisible in both capitalist and state narratives. That’s a vital reminder. Any left project that doesn’t center workers, from land to factory to distribution, loses its soul. And you’re right: the roots of chocolate’s prominence today aren’t just cultural, they’re exploitative. The commodity’s journey is soaked in colonial extraction, and in many ways, that legacy persists.

Your mention of white supremacist funding and KKK ties to regional destabilization is important. I don’t doubt it. U.S. foreign policy, especially in Latin America, has long served as a tool for white capitalist expansion, from the School of the Americas to paramilitary support. That history deserves more light, not less.

Now, on the worry about corruption and state overreach, I hear you. The cycle you’re pointing to is real: revolutionary governments co-opted, bureaucracies bloated, the people once again crushed beneath a new elite. But here’s where we may differ: I don’t have blind faith in governance. I have faith in people. And that includes the right of people to shape their governments, to build horizontal structures of power, to hold any institution accountable, whether it wears a suit or a state badge.

Power can corrupt, but it also depends on how it’s held. When governance is democratized, truly democratized, not just through ballots but through councils, unions, communal ownership, it doesn’t have to recreate capitalist hierarchies. Projects like Zapatista autonomy in Chiapas or Rojava in Syria show that state and market aren’t the only models. People can create something else if they have the space.

Your closing line hits hard. Maybe I do have more faith than you in the potential of governance, not because mine hasn’t taken from me, but because I believe in reclaiming what it has. Governance should serve, not rule. If it rules, it’s time to resist. And if people rise when they’re suppressed, then so be it. I stand with them.

ACAB is a very good slogan, but only if we understand it.

It’s very specifically referring to cops like the American police system, not the concept of policing. Community policing and ensuring people are safe and have someone to help them in emergencies is a good thing, community policing makes community livable, it’s a basic feature of society.

Cops in America trace their roots to violent thugs who were paid by wealth slavers to return their slaves. Their job is literally to protect the property of the rich, not to protect or serve the community as they claim.

So focused on hate

Cope better. There was no hate.

The lower price would mean lower quality traditionally yes

No no no, it’s not lower quality, it’s just not luxury. It’s better than the $5 Hershey bars available to you in the US. This is not a law of economics, it’s a capitalist assumption. Lower prices can mean lower quality in for-profit contexts because companies cut costs to maximize profit. But in a nonprofit, state-run model, the goal is different: providing a high-quality public good at an accessible price. This is a de-commodification of a necessity or cultural staple. Chocolate in Mexico has deep indigenous and historical roots.

Then creating regulation as a governance is expected the lowest prices. Did they circumvent regulations, taxes, etc.

I don’t know, did they?

The insinuation here is that the government is cheating the system. But if the government is the one setting or adapting the regulations, this is not circumvention, it’s governance. State-run enterprises often don’t need to chase profit margins because their revenue model isn’t extractive.

HENCE, how could a capitalist compete

Correct, that’s the point. The state provides a baseline to protect people from price-gouging and artificial scarcity. Capitalists can compete, but they must add value, not by suppressing wages or cutting quality, but by genuine innovation or diversification.

This is similar to how public healthcare in many countries sets a baseline: if private healthcare wants to exist, it must offer more, not extract more.

Over extension of power leads to suppression of the workers, field owners, and consumers. With capitalism winning.

This is incoherent nonsense. Capitalism “winning” through the suppression of workers is not a bug; it’s a feature. State efforts to offer goods affordably often arise precisely to counteract capitalist suppression.

The idea that public chocolate production suppresses workers more than Nestlé or Hershey’s, companies with notorious labor violations, is laughable.

You have so little experience with the pain of the world that you can only dream your comforts.

That’s just a rhetorical grenade, you’re not engaging with what I said, you’re trying to discredit me personally. And honestly, it’s frustrating. You’re implying that lived suffering and collective solutions can’t go hand in hand, but that’s just not true. Some of the fiercest, most committed advocates for public goods come from deep struggle, especially across the Global South.

Actually, I have my entire code base documented in obsidian, and I literally tell cursor to refer to the documentation. It works amazingly well, and then I have it draft documentation for the new features it’s creating. I can do in a day what I used to do in a week, and it’s not because it’s doing anything advanced, it’s just takes care of so much of the brain draining tedious tasks.

The entire file! My biggest frustration with cursor is that it doesn’t support reading from multiple projects at once so it can see the context of how the projects interact or how interfaces are implemented.

What? Why would a job in Mexico pay enough to live in the US… That makes no sense. Cost of living isn’t even the same across the US.

It is. They’ve got you conditioned to accept that government is just there to hurt you, it’s supposed to make society worth living in.

Americans have such a shitty life that they’re addicted to drugs and can’t stop buying them, but sure, it’s Mexicans sneaking it in.

However ideology like this leads to issues in reality.

Issues for who? The consumer? Or the capitalists?

If a competitor gets lower prices would hint at some questionability.

It would hint that it’s a shitty product, presuming no foul play by the government and the product is not overpriced (doesn’t appear to be).

Government correction becomes suppression. Suppression leads to . . .?

Government correction how? From suppression I think you mean lowering their price? The scenario you’re laying out doesn’t make sense.

The point of this kind of product is to be the baseline, no capitalist should be able to afford to offer the same product for less, because the government already has the lowest possible margin.

You start by making a better product, and you can charge whatever people decide the improved product is worth. It’s a good thing that an asshole capitalist can’t market a $7 bar of chocolate when a very good quality one is $1. At that price difference, your chocolate better be amazing.

I love Pop OS because it got me back into Linux after ditching it for windows for the last 10 years, partly to do .net development and partly because I hated the state of Ubuntu/Unity.

As soon as cosmic is stable and easy to install on Nix I’ll switch to it.

The comparison was to cash, not credit cards. The government doesn’t know who I hand cash to.

They’ll never come back because studios will never release new movies on them.

Piracy is coming back strong, but I don’t personally see myself going back to burning DVDs instead of buying HDD/SSDs.