No woman, anywhere in the world, should ever be required to wear any of these. Humans should be respected to make their own personal choices.
Sure, but many women choose to wear these and that’s fine if that’s what they want to do.
Choose and Required are opposites.
I see plenty of Muslim women without them, indicating it’s a choice for most.
Not in countries controlled by religion.
It’s also worn out of fear. People falsly believe it protects you from sexual assault.
Sure, but the vast majority of people wear it because it part of their religion and they want to.
I’m not religious in the slightest, but I support people’s right to choose.
We never seem to see people complaining about what nuns wear, which I find to be a double standard.
Neither do I care what people wear. I’m just stating a misleading factor behind the attire.
Also, I never see nuns in public.
No. Majority of women wear it because of sexist opression. They don’t have the real choice of not wearing it even if they believe they wear it “because I want to”.
Also, using nuns is not a valid argument, because
- it’s a uniform and
- nuns are nuns because they devote their lives, amongst other things, to not have children. Do those women depicted swore chastity and celibacy?
We never seem to see people complaining about what nuns wear, which I find to be a double standard.
Different context. Nuns wear their costume when they are serving. That’s why you don’t see nuns in full dress at Walmart.
But I see women in full burkas (always with their husband, of course) struggling in everyday situations.
If the religion requires it, it’s a terribly oppressive one. These women “chose” not to face consequences, so they wear it. That’s why there are international protests by women who call to reject these fabric cages.
Choose to because otherwise they get kicked from the family?
I would argue those are the minority of cases.
They aren’t.
It’s literally enforced by the government
I didn’t know my government, the UK, was enforcing people wearing religious clothing. TIL.
That’s a very obtuse response and the governments I’m referencing are obvious.
Honestly outside of protection from the sun they all look extremely uncomfortable/constraining. Especially the burka.
This clothing’s function is not to protect against the sun but to protect women against men without socialization, rape, comparison and property protection (that means exactly what is it, the women are property of their men and mostly law- and powerless). It is a social instrument of oppression and property and modern social slavery.
Crazy how many completely different names there are for different kinds of clothing that’s sooooo close to each other.
How many different kinds of hats with entirely different names do you own? I have a sun hat, a toque, a helmet, a rain cap, one of those ones with flaps that I don’t know the name of but probably has one, and I’m sure half of you own a fedora and a trilby.
Can men wear these? I want to scare my kids and these would be perfect
They do; to prevent their identification, smuggle stuff like weapons and conceal their real gender among other stuff.
Clothing fit for making a clear statement they are not on the same level as men. Is this compatible with modern society, inherent human needs and equality?
Easy answer, yes if they are doing it of their own free will with informed consent. People can wear whatever they want.
Hard question, does heavy cultural pressure and implied threats of violence impact your ability to ever truly give informed consent?
Exactly. Although it does get a little dicey when you factor in cultural conditioning. Some women are devout by choice—but if they grew up in the religion it’s impossible to determine if that devoutness is a truly held belief or if they’ve been essentially brainwashed. I don’t mean to say there’s some insidious plot of brainwashing, but there’s really no other way to describe deep, long term conditioning from a dominant in-group.
Indoctrination is a hell of a drug.
As a man, it is not my place to say anything about this conversation, but I want to give a story form my life. My mother didn’t wear it until my father’s death. So I am sure that it was her choice. She was a praying Muslim and devoted before and after and We live in this so-called authoritarian state too.
Was it truly her choice or was it something society and/or religion and/or culture dictated her to do to fit into a role intented for her? What would be her reason to do this out of free will?
As far as I know, she wanted to wear it before his death, but he didn’t let her. So when he did, she chose to wear it on her own.
You need to understand that it is normal not to wear it in our society. infects some people use it to not have to Do their hair when they don’t feel like it.
In fact, it is getting less and less used as people moderniz. And people in the West get more religious effect from people in Muslim communities I know the fuckers who would go to the club and drink in here, but who will start praying as soon as they get out to western country. So you maybe getting the wrong idea about it.
