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NightOwl@lemmy.ca to Not The Onion@lemmy.worldEnglish · 1 year ago

Germany to give Holocaust survivors $236 payout to help them cope with October 7 attacks

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Germany to give Holocaust survivors $236 payout to help them cope with October 7 attacks

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NightOwl@lemmy.ca to Not The Onion@lemmy.worldEnglish · 1 year ago
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Germany is providing a one-time payment of $236 (€220) to each of Israel’s 113,000 Holocaust survivors to help them cope with the impacts of the October 7 attack by Hamas and its aftermath.
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  • fastandcurious@lemmy.world
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    The fuck is wrong with everyone

    • Pronell@lemmy.world
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      It’s simple.

      The perfect and unattainable solution is the preferred one, despite nobody even being able to agree on what it is, let alone acknowledge that it’s impossible.

      But it’s still the perfect solution, so anything else is admitting fault, failure, and trying to move forward in reality.

      And nobody wants to acknowledge that they live in reality.

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  • x1gma@lemmy.world
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    The Hamas-led murderous rampage into southern Israel was the deadliest terror attack in Israel’s history, killing at least 1,200 people and abducting more than 250 others. Israeli attacks on Gaza have since killed at least 33,634 Palestinians and injured another 76,214 people, according to the Ministry of Health there.

    Jesus fuck, Germany is paying symbolic money to roughly as many genocide survivors in Israel as people have been murdered and injured by Israel committing genocide.

    The current German government is an absolute fucking joke, and they are doing everything to actually show it.

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    I know it’s trendy to shit on Germany rn (and Isreal obviously and for good reason), but 90 year old holocaust survivors surely aren’t the ones commiting genocide.
    And they very well might have had to relive a trauma that Germany rightfully feels a responsibility for.

    So what is the problem with giving those old folks that really had to endure some of the worst things anyone ever had to endure a symbolic sum to show them that they are not forgotten?

    This is in no way defending Germanys support of Israel, while it is committing cruel war crimes.
    But let’s be real here, is this gesture really that outrageous to you?

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      The question is, what symbolism do people draw from this gesture. The symbolism I see is viewing the current conflict through the lense of 80 years ago. And, in my view, the pervasive of that 80 year old lense to this conflict is the central problem to solving it.

      If Germany wants to pay symbolic reparations for the Holocaust, fine. But don’t tie it to something that has nothing to do with the Holocaust.

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        Germany is also the second largest contributor to UNRWA by total amount of money donated since 1952 and the largest donator of food in Gaza in 2023:

        https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/unrwa-eur-45-million-new-contributions-germany-services-palestine-refugees-jordan-lebanon-syria-and-west-bank

        This very much goes against your claims that Germany is viewing this conflict through the lens of 80 years ago. Contrast the 27 million going to Holocaust survivors (a third of which is living in poverty, by the way) against 197 million donated to UNRWA last year and 48 million this year so far.

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      my problem is that for some reason we allow groups to distribute these funds who have a long history of shafting the actual holocaust survivors, instead funelling money towards their board of directors and settler projects

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    What is going on in Germany?

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    25 million, that’s a few percent of the over 350 million of revenue Germany made from selling weapons to Israel [1]. This is a symbolic gesture to keep up good relations with the state of Israel.

    [1] https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/rights-lawyers-go-court-stop-german-arms-deliveries-israel-2024-04-05/

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      Given that one third of Israeli Holocaust survivors are living in poverty, a couple hundred bucks for each are more than just symbolic:

      https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/one-third-of-israeli-holocaust-survivors-live-in-poverty-advocates-say

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        No, I’m implying that Germany’s real intention is not to help holocaust survivors, but to keep up good relations with Israel’s government.

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          Then why wouldn’t they lower the amount they’re charging Israel or increase the amount of aid given without cost, that would be way more effective to improve relations with the Israeli government?

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            Because lowering the amount they’re charging or increasing the amount of aid will cost more than measly 25 million and doesn’t make such good headlines.

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    Wow this is so dumb. Good job Germany you dumb shits.

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      Read this and then reconsider:

      https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/one-third-of-israeli-holocaust-survivors-live-in-poverty-advocates-say

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        Sounds like Israel should spend less money committing genocide and more money helping victims of it.

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        I’m sure one third of everyone lives in poverty

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          What a weird reply. Average poverty rate in Israel is 16.9%:

          https://www.statista.com/statistics/233910/poverty-rates-in-oecd-countries/

          Almost twice as high points towards significant hardships for Holocaust survivors.

          Global average is 46.9%, by the way (but Israel is relatively rich, so it doesn’t make sense to compare it to most of the world):

          https://blogs.worldbank.org/en/opendata/march-2023-global-poverty-update-world-bank-challenge-estimating-poverty-pandemic

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            Maybe they should stop all the genocidin’ if they want to get out of poverty… can’t squeeze money from a stone

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