While I don’t doubt that russia benefits from trump winning and Democrat voters not voting, the reason why hexbears (and other communists or socialists) don’t believe in voting is accurate, but shitty.
Voting for a communist party won’t work in america, since such a party will never be able to gain political power due to state repression stopping their movements, generations of anti-left propaganda, and probably a dozen other reasons that were debated before bush was even in office. While I don’t understand a lot of ML theory, I do know it’s old.
While anti-voting rhetoric already exists on hexbear, I think it’s a terrible place to try and reach people who would actually vote for biden since most instances aren’t federated. While lemmy.ml is federated, a lot of people are hyper-vigilant about tankies there, and therefore will distrust anything against the grain that ckmes from there.
As an anarchist, I don’t believe in voting either, but I’d be stupid if I didn’t recognize that voting does have consequences, even if they aren’t what I’d want. Anarchists often believe that means and ends are entwined, and therefore supporting a hierarchical system can never get rid of it, much less that supporting the state could ever topple it.
I agree with OP that it’s perfectly fine to not vote biden in a solid red/blue state, and since I live in such a state, I’m not voting for Biden. But I haven’t really seen an uptick in anti-voting posts (admittedly I have some hexbear communities blocked).
About 2 weeks ago (it feels like less, but that’s what my history says) there was a deluge of them in a few meme communities that I happen to frequent, notably on blahaj 196.
accurate, but shitty
Please explain. Edit: oh, do you mean they won’t vote because they can’t vote in a communist?
The accuracy comes from the fact that in the american system, there is not, and won’t be, a candidate or hopeful that can have an impact to bring america in a socialistic direction, or for the more electoral MLs, there is no communist/socialist candidate. Either way, most people on the far left, anarchist, communist, etc, also recognize that if there is a person of their values who gets into power, odds are they will either be milquetoast in the end and coopt the movement. Or if things are particularly bad, there will be a conflict due to such a candidate winning.
I think those people are silly. They are too far-sighted to consider the local scale of elections and the conditions that come from them, even though I generally agree with the critiques of the electoral system
While I don’t doubt that russia benefits from trump winning and Democrat voters not voting, the reason why hexbears (and other communists or socialists) don’t believe in voting is accurate, but shitty.
Voting for a communist party won’t work in america, since such a party will never be able to gain political power due to state repression stopping their movements, generations of anti-left propaganda, and probably a dozen other reasons that were debated before bush was even in office. While I don’t understand a lot of ML theory, I do know it’s old.
While anti-voting rhetoric already exists on hexbear, I think it’s a terrible place to try and reach people who would actually vote for biden since most instances aren’t federated. While lemmy.ml is federated, a lot of people are hyper-vigilant about tankies there, and therefore will distrust anything against the grain that ckmes from there.
As an anarchist, I don’t believe in voting either, but I’d be stupid if I didn’t recognize that voting does have consequences, even if they aren’t what I’d want. Anarchists often believe that means and ends are entwined, and therefore supporting a hierarchical system can never get rid of it, much less that supporting the state could ever topple it.
I agree with OP that it’s perfectly fine to not vote biden in a solid red/blue state, and since I live in such a state, I’m not voting for Biden. But I haven’t really seen an uptick in anti-voting posts (admittedly I have some hexbear communities blocked).
About 2 weeks ago (it feels like less, but that’s what my history says) there was a deluge of them in a few meme communities that I happen to frequent, notably on blahaj 196.
Please explain. Edit: oh, do you mean they won’t vote because they can’t vote in a communist?
The accuracy comes from the fact that in the american system, there is not, and won’t be, a candidate or hopeful that can have an impact to bring america in a socialistic direction, or for the more electoral MLs, there is no communist/socialist candidate. Either way, most people on the far left, anarchist, communist, etc, also recognize that if there is a person of their values who gets into power, odds are they will either be milquetoast in the end and coopt the movement. Or if things are particularly bad, there will be a conflict due to such a candidate winning.
I think those people are silly. They are too far-sighted to consider the local scale of elections and the conditions that come from them, even though I generally agree with the critiques of the electoral system