Ah, more tankie logic; “Anti-Russian and Anti-North-Korean sentiment can only come from a place of racism.”
Well then, I guess this is the conversational path you wanted, where we yell at each other over easily resolved misunderstandings because you decided to be a dick. Entirely your choice, not mine.
Oh you surely started the douchey behavior. I definitely joined you in the mud, though.
Yeah, hey, and what were those reasons you explained in the linked thread? Let’s check:
The problem we’re discussing is that tankies employ definitions gymnastics
Oh hey, what do you know? You’re labelling them a tankie because they’re too prone to using Marxist definitions!
Not all Marxist definitions are mental gymnastics to defend imperialists, no. Until today I thought none of them were, but I haven’t read everything he wrote so you could be right about some of them.
Either way, you’re still wrong to assert that I beleive Marxist Definitions = Tankie. Marx wasn’t a tankie.
Ah, more tankie logic; “Anti-Russian and Anti-North-Korean sentiment can only come from a place of racism.”
No, suggesting that I need a translator is what’s racist.
Either way, you’re still wrong to assert that I beleive Marxist Definitions = Tankie. Marx wasn’t a tankie.
Funny, that’s not what I said. Unlike you, I’ll explain the distinction, though you probably won’t see it. I said that you accused this specific person of being a tankie based on their tendency to use Marxist definitions, not that you do the same to anyone who uses any Marxist terminology.
No, suggesting that I need a translator is what’s racist.
It’s not racist to assert that people are always better at their native tongue than they are at second languages; that’s just linguistics and how human brains work. I’ll never be as good at my second languages as I am at English, for example. It’s not racist against my race if I or someone else says that. See how that works?
But I get it, you need to grasp at straws to malign me at this point. Propagandists gotta propaganda.
Funny, that’s not what I said. Unlike you, I’ll explain the distinction, though you probably won’t see it. I said that you accused this specific person of being a tankie based on their tendency to use Marxist definitions, not that you do the same to anyone who uses any Marxist terminology.
And again, that logic does not follow, and so it is not what I believe; I accused that specific person of being a tankie because they are doing mental gymnastics, yes by using what you consider a Marxist definition of imperialism, to assert that Russia is not imperialist. I sincerely doubt Marx would’ve thought Russia in 2026 is not imperialist. In fact, I don’t even think that person was using a Marxist definition of the term. From marxist.com:
Feel free to cite Marx’s actual words on the topic if you want, as I found that harder to find.
Regardless, “opposing imperialist states” is not the definition of a non-imperialist state, as that person asserted. Nor is “invading for irredentism (and taking and profiting off of the invaded country’s resources).”
It’s not racist to assert that people are always better at their native tongue than they are at second languages;
It is incredibly racist to start accusing someone of being a foreigner any time there’s a miscommunication. And to be clear, this miscommunication is entirely on you, having admitted that you refused to clarify on the basis of “I don’t respect you.” English is my first language, and I am a white American.
But I get it, you need to grasp at straws to malign me at this point. Propagandists gotta propaganda.
There is absolutely no grasping at straws here. Imagine someone went up to order coffee and the barista mixed up their order, and they immediately started accusing them of being a foreigner, demanding to know if they “needed a translator” to get the order right. That person would very clearly and obviously be a racist, just like you. Maybe you’re just too used to dismissing accusations of racism as “tankie nonsense” to see it, but it doesn’t stop being racist just because you add a political context.
And again, that logic does not follow, and so it is not what I believe; I accused that specific person of being a tankie because they are doing mental gymnastics, yes by using what you consider a Marxist definition of imperialism, to assert that Russia is not imperialist.
And you decided to go all in on the distinction between “Using a Marxist definition” and “using a definition that may be Marxist but I’m not sure and also I assumed they were using it in bad faith?”
Let’s be clear. That is the miscommunication you refused to clarify. That is what caused you to go full racist and accuse me of being an illiterate foreigner, because I didn’t read your mind to discover this razor-thin distinction.
You could have simply said that you didn’t think it was a Marxist definition. But you do all this fucking bullshit, for literally no point but to air your racism and your total disrespect for anyone who disagrees with you on literally any point, who you will label as “tankie.”
Obviously, in addition to all this horrendously bad faith behavior, you’re also wrong on the actual point. The definition you cited is in line with my previous description of the Marxist definition pertaining to resource extraction, especially on a global scale.
It is incredibly racist to start accusing someone of being a foreigner any time there’s a miscommunication.
Absolutely not, no. Xenophobic maybe, but in the context of someone spreading propaganda for foreign governments like Russia, DPRK, and China do routinely, it’s absolutely not racist to suspect someone shilling for those regimes might actually be from those countries. It’d be like accusing me of being an American because I dislike tankies. “Oh no, racism!”
And to be clear, this miscommunication is entirely on you, having admitted that you refused to clarify on the basis of “I don’t respect you.”
No, the miscommunication rests on your inability to parse logic written in English and my refusal to hold your hand because you gave me tankie vibes, which by now you have confirmed to be a good suspicion.
English is my first language, and I am a white American.
No point in saying that at this stage. “I promise, dear internet stranger, I am not lying!”
There is absolutely no grasping at straws here.
“Your opnion is incorrect. Mine is correct.”
Thanks for practicing your writing and helping me practice my reading? Not a very convincing argument so I suppose that was the only reason you wrote it.
Imagine someone went up to order coffee and the barista mixed up their order, and they immediately started accusing them of being a foreigner, demanding to know if they “needed a translator” to get the order right, after that person had spent some time defending someone bending over backwards to whitewash [insert foreign country]. That person would very clearly and obviously be a racist, just like you.
There you go, fixed your metaphor.
Rude, yes. Racist? No.
You tankies exhaust non-tankies with your constant bad faith tactics and you get all pissy when you get rude responses back. Sorry I’m not sorry. Scurry back to tankie spaces if you don’t want that kind of reaction, I guess.
Maybe you’re just too used to dismissing accusations of racism as “tankie nonsense” to see it, but it doesn’t stop being racist just because you add a political context.
You’ve got it backwards. If I say things critical of Russia/China/DPRK on Lemmy when lemmy.ml people are present, they run out of the woodwork to accuse me of being racist. Cue eye-roll.
And you decided to go all in on the distinction between “Using a Marxist definition” and “using a definition that may be Marxist but I’m not sure and also I assumed they were using it in bad faith?”
Let’s be clear. That is the miscommunication you refused to clarify.
Again you stretch the truth to fit a nice straw man to attack. I can’t comprehend what I wrote for you, and I can only re-write it to clarify so many times before it becomes clear that you don’t actually care or have the ability to understand what I was saying.
That is what caused you to go full racist and accuse me of being an illiterate foreigner
Literally never accused you of being “an illiterate foreigner.” I accused you of English not being your first language OR you struggling with logic.
Again, DPRK/China/Russia/etc. are known to have divisions of internet trolls attempting to influence the West. That’s what I suspect you of. That’s not racist.
Literally never accused you of being “an illiterate foreigner.” I accused you of English not being your first language
Goddamn, you are impossible to communicate with. I think I’ve finally figured it out though. You just don’t like when things aren’t framed in the way you like. Saying that I must be a foreigner because I lack reading comprehension (or mind reading, in this case) is the exact same thing as accusing me of being an illiterate foreigner. The only difference is that spelling it out explicitly makes you look worse than when you were couching the accusation coyly in your own words.
In the same way, you insist that you weren’t accusing someone of being a tankie because they were too prone to using Marxist definitions, but because they used “definition gymnastics” which happens to look exactly like insisting on Marxist definitions. It’s literally the exact same thing, but you just don’t like the way I say it. But it’s not that anything I said was remotely untrue.
This entire conversation is just you whining about me accurately describing the things you’re doing. It’s like you expect anything anyone says describing your actions to be constantly glazing you and fluffing you up, and if that part is missing then it’s “lying.”
What an incredible display of racism, bad faith, and narcissism.
Ah, more tankie logic; “Anti-Russian and Anti-North-Korean sentiment can only come from a place of racism.”
Oh you surely started the douchey behavior. I definitely joined you in the mud, though.
Not all Marxist definitions are mental gymnastics to defend imperialists, no. Until today I thought none of them were, but I haven’t read everything he wrote so you could be right about some of them.
Either way, you’re still wrong to assert that I beleive Marxist Definitions = Tankie. Marx wasn’t a tankie.
No, suggesting that I need a translator is what’s racist.
Funny, that’s not what I said. Unlike you, I’ll explain the distinction, though you probably won’t see it. I said that you accused this specific person of being a tankie based on their tendency to use Marxist definitions, not that you do the same to anyone who uses any Marxist terminology.
It’s not racist to assert that people are always better at their native tongue than they are at second languages; that’s just linguistics and how human brains work. I’ll never be as good at my second languages as I am at English, for example. It’s not racist against my race if I or someone else says that. See how that works?
But I get it, you need to grasp at straws to malign me at this point. Propagandists gotta propaganda.
And again, that logic does not follow, and so it is not what I believe; I accused that specific person of being a tankie because they are doing mental gymnastics, yes by using what you consider a Marxist definition of imperialism, to assert that Russia is not imperialist. I sincerely doubt Marx would’ve thought Russia in 2026 is not imperialist. In fact, I don’t even think that person was using a Marxist definition of the term. From marxist.com:
Feel free to cite Marx’s actual words on the topic if you want, as I found that harder to find.
Regardless, “opposing imperialist states” is not the definition of a non-imperialist state, as that person asserted. Nor is “invading for irredentism (and taking and profiting off of the invaded country’s resources).”
It is incredibly racist to start accusing someone of being a foreigner any time there’s a miscommunication. And to be clear, this miscommunication is entirely on you, having admitted that you refused to clarify on the basis of “I don’t respect you.” English is my first language, and I am a white American.
There is absolutely no grasping at straws here. Imagine someone went up to order coffee and the barista mixed up their order, and they immediately started accusing them of being a foreigner, demanding to know if they “needed a translator” to get the order right. That person would very clearly and obviously be a racist, just like you. Maybe you’re just too used to dismissing accusations of racism as “tankie nonsense” to see it, but it doesn’t stop being racist just because you add a political context.
And you decided to go all in on the distinction between “Using a Marxist definition” and “using a definition that may be Marxist but I’m not sure and also I assumed they were using it in bad faith?”
Let’s be clear. That is the miscommunication you refused to clarify. That is what caused you to go full racist and accuse me of being an illiterate foreigner, because I didn’t read your mind to discover this razor-thin distinction.
You could have simply said that you didn’t think it was a Marxist definition. But you do all this fucking bullshit, for literally no point but to air your racism and your total disrespect for anyone who disagrees with you on literally any point, who you will label as “tankie.”
Obviously, in addition to all this horrendously bad faith behavior, you’re also wrong on the actual point. The definition you cited is in line with my previous description of the Marxist definition pertaining to resource extraction, especially on a global scale.
Absolutely not, no. Xenophobic maybe, but in the context of someone spreading propaganda for foreign governments like Russia, DPRK, and China do routinely, it’s absolutely not racist to suspect someone shilling for those regimes might actually be from those countries. It’d be like accusing me of being an American because I dislike tankies. “Oh no, racism!”
No, the miscommunication rests on your inability to parse logic written in English and my refusal to hold your hand because you gave me tankie vibes, which by now you have confirmed to be a good suspicion.
No point in saying that at this stage. “I promise, dear internet stranger, I am not lying!”
“Your opnion is incorrect. Mine is correct.”
Thanks for practicing your writing and helping me practice my reading? Not a very convincing argument so I suppose that was the only reason you wrote it.
There you go, fixed your metaphor.
Rude, yes. Racist? No.
You tankies exhaust non-tankies with your constant bad faith tactics and you get all pissy when you get rude responses back. Sorry I’m not sorry. Scurry back to tankie spaces if you don’t want that kind of reaction, I guess.
You’ve got it backwards. If I say things critical of Russia/China/DPRK on Lemmy when lemmy.ml people are present, they run out of the woodwork to accuse me of being racist. Cue eye-roll.
Again you stretch the truth to fit a nice straw man to attack. I can’t comprehend what I wrote for you, and I can only re-write it to clarify so many times before it becomes clear that you don’t actually care or have the ability to understand what I was saying.
Literally never accused you of being “an illiterate foreigner.” I accused you of English not being your first language OR you struggling with logic.
Again, DPRK/China/Russia/etc. are known to have divisions of internet trolls attempting to influence the West. That’s what I suspect you of. That’s not racist.
Lot of words to justify racist bullshit.
Goddamn, you are impossible to communicate with. I think I’ve finally figured it out though. You just don’t like when things aren’t framed in the way you like. Saying that I must be a foreigner because I lack reading comprehension (or mind reading, in this case) is the exact same thing as accusing me of being an illiterate foreigner. The only difference is that spelling it out explicitly makes you look worse than when you were couching the accusation coyly in your own words.
In the same way, you insist that you weren’t accusing someone of being a tankie because they were too prone to using Marxist definitions, but because they used “definition gymnastics” which happens to look exactly like insisting on Marxist definitions. It’s literally the exact same thing, but you just don’t like the way I say it. But it’s not that anything I said was remotely untrue.
This entire conversation is just you whining about me accurately describing the things you’re doing. It’s like you expect anything anyone says describing your actions to be constantly glazing you and fluffing you up, and if that part is missing then it’s “lying.”
What an incredible display of racism, bad faith, and narcissism.