• veroxii@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    In Australia some local councils use aerial photos to check for structures and developments without a permit. Built a new deck without the right paperwork, put in a big shed without approval, expect a knock on the door soon.

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        I…love the logic of “I broke the rules and they got to know? HOW DARE THEY”.

        Like…this is so stupidly silly I can’t. Like a child getting pissed off it was found out.

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          Nothing anyone loves more then not being able to do what they want on their own property they probably spent most of their lives working for

          But yes, freedom and liberty are quite clearly “childish” concepts in your underdeveloped brain

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            Yeah, go on, insult me. Great argument ^^

            You know the rules that apply on the property. By breaking them, you are performing concious action, knowing what consequences may it yield. Do not be pissed when these consequences come. Sheesh.

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              Where’s the limit on acceptable surveillance on your own property?

              Should the state be able to check for unlicensed structures by drone?

              What about sending investigators into your backyard? Into your house?

              Just because people break rules doesn’t give the state the right to inspect their citizens any way they please.

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                From what I recall, your property ends where airspace begins so…yes? Same as Mark, your neighbour. He, too, can get a drone and watch your backyard. Now inside of building is somewhat private ( IIRC windows this privacy legally ).

                And also - how else do you propose for state to be able to enforce their code and licenses? You agree to their terms when you get the property. How do they make sure you actually follow them?

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          Laws that prevent people from doing what they want on their own property when it doesn’t hurt anyone else are completely unjustifiable tools of oppression. Anything that helps the state enforce those laws is inherently bad.

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            Why do you think the laws exist in the first place. Because there is some hurt to somebody else. You just can’t see it.

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              Tell me more about how me building a shed for myself that nobody else ever even looks at causes harm to anyone.

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                If it’s not built to code to code it can pose all sorts of safety hazards to your neighbours or future owners of your property. If you don’t bother getting approval you didn’t bother building it properly either.

                At the slightly more silly end, your shed could lower the value of the neighbours property (because it looks like a meth lab, or just a general hillbilly grotto) and the law holds financial harm higher than physical harm most of the time.

                Edit: also it’s not just you, it’s any meth head who decides to build their own shed. Laws need to cater for the lowest common denominator.

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                  If it’s not to code, just tear it down before selling the place. A not up to code shed on your own property isn’t a threat to your neighbors unless they’re trespassing on your property. Arguing that it shouldn’t be allowed because it looks bad is the real-estate equivalent of trying to pass a law to force women to smile at all times so that men have eye candy.

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                An electrical fire that starts in your shed isn’t confined to your property by magic force fields. Your improperly installed wiring is a threat to the neighborhood.

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                  Improperly wiring something up on your property with the risk of causing a fire makes that action no longer confined to your property, even if before the fire, all of the wiring is on your side of the line. There’s simply no reasonable way for just a shed without the accidental pyrotechnics can bring enough risk of harm to your neighbors that it could be considered a violation of their rights.

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                    There’s simply no reasonable way for just a shed without the accidental pyrotechnics can bring enough risk of harm to your neighbors

                    Unless, you know, it wasn’t built to code.

                    Building codes are exactly how we make sure that your property doesn’t pose a risk to other people’s property.

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      Happens in the US, too. I know someone who got in trouble for building a shed that connected to their house by roof (covered walkway). Then the county came and inspected in person, and it turns out the shed was too large even on its own so they were dealing with that last I heard.