As long as it’s someone else. Religion provides the ultimate in shirking of responsibility. Oh well: god. They literally train you to believe that you have no control and to submit utterly - to a thing that does not even exist.

The entire thing is so preposterous. I’ll never stop being flabbergasted that otherwise credible adults admit, right under the public eye, that they believe in magic.

I know right? If there is a god, certainly he’s busy making sure that one player scores a touchdown.

I guess people are saying that they believe there is such a thing as an ethical murder in the streets. Of course in any form of ethics vacuum chamber this can’t stand. But in the real world where children are bombed for the sake of some asshole’s religion, where the president boasts he could get away with murder in the street and courts confirm this, in a world where sick people are left to suffer to boost a share price, then, THEN an act like this becomes a reasonable response to an unreasonable world.

Maybe someone better educated can tell me what ethics scholars have to say about how an ethical actor should behave in a system where ethics have utterly broken down. Right now, the crowd is saying “like that guy.”

I’m ill-disposed to wag my finger at them, and think the only ethical course is to address the corrupt environment in which this act occurred, because that environment undermines any one-dimensional ethical evaluation of this murder in the street, and that makes me deeply uncomfortable.

He meant base

They are shaking some informative answers out of literate people so I’m getting something out of it :D

AND I can shout while the power is out. So there!

Your responses to Herr Dunning-Kruger here were very patient and succinct. I learned from them so thanks for making that effort.

You do not check the reviews before you go to McDonalds. Just quit.

Neat how that works. Keep the populace poor and they become a wall to wall surveillance system for you. And people worry about technology…

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We wouldn’t want to arouse ill-will toward health insurers /s

Yeah I’m there with you. I’m not saying I predict we will succeed, just that I would prefer if we did.

I’m really neither optimistic nor pessimistic on our chances. On the one hand, it seems like simple logic that any time a being evolves from simple animal to one with the potential for Kardishev type 1, that along the way to type 1 they will destroy the initial conditions they evolved into, obliterating their own habitat and ending themselves. I assume this is similar to your view.

On the other hand we don’t have the data points to draw any conclusions. Even if species invariably Great Filter themselves, many of them should emit radio signals before they vanish. Yet we’ve seen not a single signal. This suggests Rare Earth to me. Or at least makes me keep my mind open to it. And Rare Earth means there isn’t even necessarily a great filter, and that we’ve already passed the hardest part.

It’s a fact of course. Pluto will also remain, and every object in the Oort Cloud.

But despite our incendiary impact on this planet’s biospheres, I do think something would be lost if we vanished. Through us the universe becomes aware of itself. We’re not the only intelligent species nor the only one that could ever play this role. But these qualities are scarce. Evolution rarely selects for high intelligence because of its high cost. Self aware intelligent beings who can communicate complex abstracts at the speed of sound and operate in unison and transmit information down through generations… all from a rock. I hope we don’t destroy ourselves and every other living thing around us. I really do.

It’s hard to talk about what the earth needs. For humans and AGI, the driving requirement behind “need” is survival. But the earth is a rock. What does a rock need?

AI is actively worsening the climate crisis with its obscene compute requirements and concomitant energy use.

Yep. They’ve only raised $15M so far which is a modest amount by relative standards. If they paid it back right now then I would give them some breathing room for these naive, grandiose statements. Oh but then how would their staff get rich without an IPO? If they could become profitable NOW they could maybe go employee-owned and avoid selling their ass to the stock market.

Of course none of that will happen. Optimistically they will take on more investment money and then go public or get acquired by some other entity and these hippie-ass remarks from their CEO will look like what they are: pipe dreams brought on by their first blush of success. And that’s charitable. Her comments are so naive it’s plausible she’s straight up lying through her teeth right now.

Everyone in tech wants to get buy-a-house rich and quit. No one is in this for humanity.

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I once bought a bottle of wine at the old state store. I was on a road trip with my gf at the time and oh boy did those ladies at the counter glare at us like we were degenerates! There are worse things than being tight about alcohol, I guess.

Years later I proposed to my now wife in Bryce Canyon. We were staying in Kanab, which was a delightful little spot. Greyhound owners meetup was going on at the time so there were adorable dogs everywhere. Nice UT memories.

Oh yay that’s something.

I do enjoy Utah but could never live with the beer there :D