When I saw that movie I was disappointed. Everyone in my life would always tell me how terrible it was and I shouldn’t watch it, then when I actually did watch it it turns out the movie is actually just a gigantic love letter to Adam West’s batman and is one of my favorite batman movies and I’m upset I listened to The Average Idiotic Movie Viewer and didn’t watch it sooner.
The problem is that it’s supposed to be a sequel to the Tim Burton movies and it just doesn’t work on that front.
Neither does Batman Forever but that one is treated a lot better.
Because Batman Forever is a sequel to a Tim Burton movie.
Batman & Robin is a sequel to a sequel of a Tim Burton movie.
The level of camp/silliness increased for each film.
As a standalone film, it was fine. In the era it came out in, it didn’t work.
Tommy Lee Jones acting like a sugar addicted child was more emotionally scarring than any other movie I have ever seen. And I am including liveleak videos in this.
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It was reminiscent of the older silly Batman stuff and I liked it! I’ll die on that hill!
So many good cast members completely wasted
I really liked George Clooney as Batman.
But I also liked Pierce Brosnan as James Bond so I’m probably wrong.
Pierce Brosnan was great as James Bond. Goldeneye probably saved the franchise from oblivion. He got shit scripts after that, but he was right for the role.
Also, Dalton’s first movie as Bond is highly underrated.
Please elaborate on the Brosnan part? I think he fit the role well, and I think GoldenEye is one of the best Bond movies. That being said, I wouldn’t call myself a Bond connoisseur.
I don’t think any of the Bonds were bad in the role. They all bought their own thing to it.
Some of them got some dogshit plots and scripts though, and frankly Brosnan’s may have been even worse than Dalton’s. Goldeneye is at least goofy and fun, a return to the Moore era. The rest were irredeemably bad.
I heard him tell a story about the time he had a close call with guys with machine guns on one of his foreign aid missions, and found himself on his knees with his hands in the air. He said he was worried that they’d figure out that they were safe, and start to let them go, and then recognize him, and say “YOU PUT NIPPLES ON THE BAT SUIT!” and shoot him anyway.
Clooney Batman was great, he fit right in the role IMHO, too bad he was in Batman & Robin, but I could easily see him doing what Keaton did, or even Pattinson.
I call it the Nipple Batman, and I enjoyed it too.
he wasn’t the problem with that movie
Both of the Joel Schumacher films are fun if you don’t take them seriously. They’re not perfect by any means, but I’ll throw them on every few years and have a good time. I can’t even remember the last time I watched the Burton films, besides clips of “Love that Joker”
I think you just have to judge them for what they are, not hyper gritty neo noir anti hero or the gothy expressionist dark serious tone, but more of a campy fun 60s Adam West bman style everyone just going really hammy.
Batman Returns is in my holiday movie rotation.
There is a kernel of a truly great movie hidden inside Batman & Robin. Unfortunately it’s buried under a mountain of shit. The result? Pure corn.
Dinner dinner dinner dinner Batman!
“It’s the car, right? Chicks dig the car.”
(Actually maybe that was Keaton… 🤔 I really don’t remember)
I just want to know who approved nips on the suit
Bats are mammals, if it didn’t have nipples he can’t be Batman.
“With Val Kilmer’s suit in Batman Forever, the nipples were one of those things that I added. It wasn’t fetish to me, it was more informed by Roman armor — like Centurions. And, in the comic books, the characters always looked like they were naked with spray paint on them — it was all about anatomy, and I like to push anatomy. I don’t know exactly where my head was at back in the day, but that’s what I remember. And so, I added the nipples. I had no idea there was going to end up being all this buzz about it.”
- Jose Fernandez, costume designer and sculptor
Thanks for the quote. Also from an appropriate user handle haha.
Would have been funnier if he was like “what are you talking about those were just Clooney’s nips”
I’ve never seen or heard anyone ever answer for the design choices and this makes perfect sense. Always thought Schumacher was having his fun like Tarantino does with feet.
It’s cool to see the person that made that decision just own it.
“Yeah I like nipples so I put them on there.”
No more ridiculous than abs on the suit.
There were probably long meetings about nip or no nip.
Val Kilmer.
Say what you like of Clooney Batman, but it was the most memorable. I think of the bat credit card more than I would like.
They must have had a Visa/MasterCard/whatever product placement in mind that fell through, and then they did the scene, anyway.
it’s such a fucking good joke too
“good thru: FOREVER”
Gothcard is pretty on point too.
Such a good joke all the Nostalgia Critic could do was repeat “A BAT CREDIT CARD???” like it wasn’t hilarious.
There was something about that movie (uma Thurman) that no Batman movie after was able to do (it was uma Thurman). I haven’t seen the movie in years, but I remember empathizing with the villains in a way that modern movies just don’t want you to (it may have just been uma Thurman but I remember feeling bad for mr freeze too). I might just be queerer than other people but the level of camp felt genuine. I don’t dislike other Batman movies, but that one felt fun to watch the way old comics were fun to read.
Funnily enough, out of modern superhero movies, I think MCU got me to empathize with a villain the most. It was Thanos, who had a legitimate reason for reducing the population of the universe and didn’t even want to discriminate.
I’ve grown bored with the MCU and haven’t seen any of the newest films, but Infinity War was actually great.
Legitimate reason? Really?
That was the one thing that removed my ability to even try to suspend any disbelief in the fantasy. Like I couldn’t even think of him as more than a one-dimensional caricature, let alone empathize with him. I was okay with Thanos just being some powerful guy seeking powerful objects to become more powerful. I might even sympathize, not empathize, with that. It was evil to be sure, but understandable. But, as soon as they revealed what he actually wanted to do with that power the whole thing just fell apart completely and became a total farce.
It was just bad logic that doesn’t hold up to any scrutiny. Like why didn’t he just double the resources? Why did he think the universe wouldn’t just eventually return to pre-snap populations, because it’s not like he also slowed population growth?
Population control is an ineffective solution to a nonexistent problem, but that thread of misanthropy, woven into the worldview of most who think #thanoswasright, is based on misinformation. Knowledge is the cure.
I don’t know why the movies got the direction they did for his motivation but in the comics Thanos is trying to impress Death who he is in love with. It makes more sense than just getting rid of half the people for supposed resource scarcity.
Exactly. It’s a nonsense motivation. What was he going to do? Come back every couple of decades and snap again?
Compare to Mass Effect’s genophage. That’s a plan. Horrible, but at least it makes sense.
The thing about Thanos though is that he is also a good example of what happens when a powerful figure is only surrounded by “yes” folks. Because his idea is, ultimately, stupid. Killing half of all life in the universe doesnʻt really change anything substantial because you wind up with the same problems: If you have 100 people and 50 cows or fruit trees or whatever, and you snap half of those, you still wind up with the same ratio. Now itʻs 50 people fighting for 25 cows or fruit trees or whatever.
The Infinity Stones basically make Thanos close to God. He could do anything. He could have doubled the resources of the universe, he could have created an entirely new form of resource.
In some ways this is in keeping with his characterization in the comics, where he has a habit of getting in his own way. But I kinda wish that Endgame, like in the Infinity Gauntlet series, would have revealed that he was actually trying to woo Death (which could have been represented by Hela) and so his supposed altruism is actually self-serving. Regardless, he does stand as a good representative of charismatic villains that garner sympathy while also being singularly focused on a really bad idea rooted in the villainʻs own self-assurance and ability to gather acolytes through a kind of “reality distortion field” effect.
They actually brought lady death into the canon with Agatha all along, played by April ludgate herself. I’d kill half the universe to impress April.
Thatʻs right! But at the time of Endgame, weʻd only seen Hela. I could definitely see someone snapping half the universe away for either of them lol.
I think my big issue with the MCU, is that they don’t even try to make the flaws logical. Before the snap, thanos has all of the infinity stones and can bend reality. He could have done any other kind of random macguffin BS other than remove half of all people. If the avengers could look into the future and envision the one reality where they defeated Thanos, Thanos could’ve done the same but for whatever heuristic he was attempting to optimize. I know the villain in Black Panther gets a lot of hate for having an unsympathetic side just tacked on, but unfortunately it’s quite historically accurate to have people pushing for some kind of enlightened revolution that haven’t quite done all of the work to unlearn things themselves. I do think that the fact that he was written that way and isn’t a real person is a valid argument as to why it’s a poor defense, but it’s suggested that MLK cheated on his wife and prominent figures in the Black Panther party did abuse women. So, I’m a bit torn on that, but between Thanos and whatever the hell was happening in falcon in the winter soldier, I still think the villains and the heroes could use some work.
Just to be clear, I don’t think it takes away from the movies being great. I also really like infinity war, I just don’t that I was on board with everyone’s motivations all the time.
Edit: I responded to this comment from my inbox, and now I’m seeing that you already have replies saying that Thanos really isn’t understandable. I wasn’t trying to pile on, I just also believe that.
Hey, I agree that Thanos was stupid as hell. If he really wanted to save the universe, as an all powerful god at the point where he’s got all the infinity stones, he could’ve done something about reproduction rates, or resources being regeneratable… I just meant he’s the only one I’ve been able to empathize with recently. There’s so many villains who just want power for the sake of it, or to end the world. Thanos wanted to do what he thought would save the world. Was it stupid? Sure. But his goal was not.
mr freeze and poison ivy are definitely the most sympathetic of the main cast of batman villains. as in, their motivations make more sense than like… calendar man.
I assume Calendar Man had a mental illness like OCD that manifested around dates due to the fact that his parents named him Julian Gregory Day.
And if someone has a mental illness in Gotham, you can bet a billionaire in S&M gear is there to beat the shit out of them.
I assume Calendar Man had a mental illness
Pretty much every batman villain is mentally ill in someway or another, and it’s probably easier to list the ones that aren’t. That’s why they end up in Arkham “Asylum”.
The ones that aren’t mentally ill are disfigured. And at this point, you can probably count out the only ones left.
Ra’s Al Ghul
Catwoman
Hush
Poison Ivy is like Magneto. It becomes harder and harder every year to say they’re wrong.
Also Jim Carrey having so many consecutive bad days at work he loses his fkin mind, I felt that.
